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电源改造,有实在的理论依据么? [复制链接]

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LZ 要的答案, 以下都有, 只是估计你要么看不懂英文, 要么逻辑清楚得又不相信而已.

Do Power cords make a difference to a hi-fi systems performance

According to markl of Head-Fi.org forums...

--Yes, they make a difference. This difference is on par with (and can be slightly greater than) the differences aftermarket interconnects (ICs) can make. If you can’t hear the differences between ICs, it is doubtful you will hear the differences between power cords either.

-- I suspect that the reason power cords seem to effect the sound more than ICs is due to the fact that they appear to actually impact the way the component produces the sound, where ICs only affect the way they pass the existing signal on to the next component. Therefore power cables can influence the sound in a more fundamental way.

--They require more break-in than ICs, and break-in effects are much more dramatic than with ICs. Try not to rush to judgment.

--It’s even harder to find a good power cord than IC. There is greater variability in the sound and performance of cords than ICs.

--Many power cords giveth and then taketh away. They offer substantial gains in some areas, but can take away from key ingredients elsewhere. Or, short of actually harming the sound, they can fall short on some parameters relative to the tantalizing enhancements they provide in other areas. This effect appears to be a factor regardless of price.

--Power cords are even more component-dependent than interconnects. A power cord that does not show good compatibility with one component, may really shine with another.

In What Ways Do They Affect Component/System Sound?
The answer is, “it depends”. Much like with interconnects, it varies from model to model and component to component. If I had to generalize, I would say, *typical* effects of adding a high-quality power cord are:

--More substantial sound, more “fleshed-out”, greater body and firmness

--Improved cleanliness of the signal, which equals less grain, improved clarity, and resolution

--Improved soundstaging, greater sense of air

--Greater sense of “ease” to the sound

--Greater sense of energy and power, greater dynamics

--Lower noise floor, letting you hear into the recording even more

That said, effects of power cords are not limited to these bullet points, nor does every cord successfully improve those specific areas.

I’m A Skeptic, Prove to Me That Power Cords Work!
I didn’t believe in them either, until I tried one on a lark a few years ago. It had a 30-day no-hassle return policy-- I didn’t return it, and haven’t looked back since. Yeah, I know there’s all that non-audiophile-grade cabling in your walls preceding your fancy new power cord. And then from your walls back to the power plant are miles more.

But instead of thinking of it as being the *last* 6 feet of cabling, it can be thought of as the *first* 6 feet. It may be more useful to think of it not in terms of *improving* your system’s performance but in terms of *removing the harm* caused it by stock power cabling. It is also possible that the superior power cords act as a sort of “conditioner” on the power line, conditioning the electricity before it enters your component. Generally, fancy power cords also have superior shielding for rejecting EMI/RFI “pollution”, providing a cleaner transmission of electricity to your gear.

My overall experience with power conditioners and especially with power cables has opened my eyes to the importance of having a good, clean power supply to feed your audio gear, it’s truly the “life-blood” of your system, and the effects of correcting shortcomings in the power feeding your gear is not small.

If that’s not good enough explanation for you and you have problems with the concept that power cables can effect system performance, do yourself (and me) a favor—just stop reading! This thread is not for you, and debate about their efficacy will not be part of this review or this thread.

Or, you can try one for yourself and see.

How Much Should I Spend On Power Cords?
A power cord is not a “band-aid” on a bad component. IMO, it should not be used in the hopes of magically transforming an “unacceptable” component to an “amazing” one; if you have that expectation, you will be disappointed. Putting a fancy power cord on a component that doesn’t already ring your bells is throwing good money after bad. Use your power cable budget and put it toward a better component.

Does it make sense to stick a $500 power cord on a $150 DAC, CD player, or headamp? I don’t think so. Common sense would tell you you’re better off with a well-chosen $650 DAC/CDP/amp with a stock power cord. A more interesting question is, “is it worth it to put any aftermarket power cable on a budget component of any kind”? I’m not convinced it is. Chances are that component is going to have a very cheap internal power supply; it will be noisy and flimsy with low build quality. To what extent can adding a power cord change that fact? You can feed it lots of clean power, but then it just runs smack into that unit’s potentially inadequate internal power supply anyway. It may just defeat the whole purpose.

I would argue that expensive aftermarket cords require components with at least mid-fi level or better internal power supplies. My conjecture is that bigger and better-built power supplies will benefit more from adding aftermarket power cords, or at least have the potential for more upside. (Or, maybe more accurately, with an audiophile-grade cord, they will suffer less degradation of performance than they do from their stock cords). YMMV.

OK, OK, so how much should I budget for power cords already? Well, it’s complicated. IME, aftermarket cables are a lot like headamps—they really don’t start getting good until the $250 mark and above. The lower-end stuff just taunts you by first opening your eyes to the possibilities, and then only delivering a partial down payment on what you can now picture so clearly in your mind. This may only succeed in whetting your appetite for something better (and more expensive). The lower-end stuff may not always add enough value to make it worth while to bother with, or, in many cases, they can do several things right, but fall short in enough areas that they will only succeed in frustrating you. Having glimpsed the Promised Land, you will want a cord that takes you all the way there, and that costs money. Sad to say.

And if you start investing lots of money in aftermarket power cords, you really ought to have gear worthy of them. Or else you end up back where we started this discussion--with a $500 power cord on a $150 component.

Like ICs, power cords have different “flavors” or sonic signatures. It may be that in terms of performance, you concede that two particular cords are roughly equal, but you happen to prefer the “flavor” of the one that costs $100 more, it’s just more compatible with your gear, gives you greater pleasure. So, is that difference in flavor and compatibility worth the extra $100? Obviously, that’s up to the individual to decide.

So, long story longer, getting into the power cord game is opening a huge can of worms. Believe me. Personally, I HATE breaking in cables, and I’ve been through so many in the last 5 months, it’s practically depressing. Be prepared to not find the “perfect” power cord on the first try. Or the second. Or the third… Still up for it?

Where Should I Put My Best Power Cord?
Put it on your source. It all flows downstream, to the extent you can improve the performance of your source, you can improve the performance the rest of the signal chain.
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原帖由 vetijet 于 2010-9-6 17:14:00 发表
LZ 要的答案, 以下都有, 只是估计你要么看不懂英文, 要么逻辑清楚得又不相信而已.

Do Power cords make a difference to a hi-fi systems performance

According to markl of Head-Fi.org forums...

--Yes, they make a difference. This dif


你好,让你失望了。你转贴的英文也太简单了,我实在无法说看不懂。同时你转的那些内容无非是个外国的发烧电源线拥簇发表了一通“我猜我猜我猜猜猜,不信你听你听你听听听”的英文版言论,和这里的“大师”们没什么区别。如果你真看得懂那些英文,你应该不会把这样的言论当成是发烧电源线改善声音的理论依据。所以,你看得懂么?

我稍微把开头的内容highlight一下
According to markl of Head-Fi.org forums...


-- I suspect that the reason power cords seem to effect the sound more than ICs is due to the fact that they appear to actually impact the way the component produces the sound, where ICs only affect the way they pass the existing signal on to the next component. Therefore power cables can influence the sound in a more fundamental way.
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买不起野山参的人,或者从来没有看见过,更何谈品尝过的人,永远说它和萝卜作用一样, 没什么区别。是骗人的
最后编辑沈摄影师 最后编辑于 2010-09-06 18:57:50
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原帖由 沈摄影师 于 2010-9-6 18:54:00 发表
买不起野山参的人,或者从来没有看见过,更何谈品尝过的人,永远说它和萝卜作用一样, 没什么区别。是骗人的



AV199的“大师”也跑过来啦,欢迎。


不过你老是翻来覆去说质疑发烧电源线的人买不起发烧电源线,是不是有点过于自我催眠了?


发烧电源线有没有合理的理论依据? 有,请说;没有,就请停止无稽的言论。


你不止一次在AV199上表示质疑发烧电源线的人买不起发烧电源线了。当我初次看到你的言论,心想一个这个大户很牛嘛,一根电源线都能当成阶级分层指导线。翻下你的帖子,发现你用一对S1.3的书架箱,住在外环线边上的群租大盘上海阳城。我心想,不多说了,大户就是大户,而且是让人看不懂的大户。


不过既然你跑到Hifi168来继续表示“质疑发烧电源线的人买不起发烧电源线”了,我只好弱弱的承认


对,我买不起发烧电源线。大户,你好;大户,再会。
最后编辑bearrider 最后编辑于 2010-09-06 19:27:54
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还有,沈摄影师大户,提醒你一下

正常人没事不需要吃什么野山参的,只有快断气的人才用野山参吊口气。

正常人,平时多吃点萝卜,反而有益。
最后编辑bearrider 最后编辑于 2010-09-06 19:29:40
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你是正常人?情绪不好,或者单位里挨领导批评了,找个墙壁,头撞100下,脑子就清楚了,不要到论坛来发泄。
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原帖由 bearrider 于 2010-8-25 22:33:00 发表
哎,发烧电源线的拥簇,竟然只剩下造谣和自慰了
你是整天意淫,连手淫都不如
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原帖由 bollerluo 于 2010-8-26 23:00:00 发表


电源线及其负载的等效电路如上图。这些都是一些谐振和LPF电路,你随便改一个元件的参数就会导致所有参数改变。比如电源线的长度不同时,
r,c,l 都不同了,所有的都变了,接了负载后就更复杂。前面是一个谐振电路,后面也是一个谐振电路,就像蝴蝶效应一样,其中一个微小的
改变都会引起连锁反应。



或许这是之一
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749#

楼上,那套理论连高中生都忽悠不了
器材为音乐而服务
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都75页了,比喻真是看得太多了,都可以编成小学语文辅导书了~~~
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原帖由 Ajconnie 于 2010-9-7 11:04:00 发表
都75页了,比喻真是看得太多了,都可以编成小学语文辅导书了~~~


是啊,野山参都出来了
最后编辑bearrider 最后编辑于 2010-09-07 12:50:39
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有啊!电来电去!哈哈。。。
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[quote] 原帖由 bearrider 于 2010-9-6 18:39:00 发表
你好,让你失望了。你转贴的英文也太简单了,我实在无法说看不懂。同时你转的那些内容无非是个外国的发烧电源线拥簇发表了一通“我猜我猜我猜猜猜,不信你听你听你听听听”的英文版言论,和这里的“大师”们没什么区别。

Bearrider, 你真是逻辑有够不清楚的, 我为什么要失望呢?! 这是哪里搭哪里啊!
话都已经说在前面了, 我说你要么英文不懂, 要么不肯相信, 难道我有讲错吗? 你不就是不肯相信就是了. 本来我就已经言中,又何来失望一说呢? 本以为你就是英文不大好而已. 现在看来你的中文和逻辑都有大问题.
其实以前还有个讨论丹拿是不是垃圾的贴子, 和Bearrider的口气都很有得一比. 见怪不怪, 大家都是来凑热闹而已了. 谁来在乎你信不信电源有用论? 谁又真的在乎你能不能被说服后去尝试? 本来这里就是大家沟通交流的地方, 如果试用有益, 大家同乐而已, 没有用的话, 你自己不用就是了.你一定要顶真到和人家去较这个劲, 言语上又不那么客气. 所以后来的贴都成骂贴了, 你看了好开心吗? 这真是你想要的吗? 劝你一句, 由你自己去吧, 你说没用就没用好了, 反正是你自己的损失, 与吾辈何干呢?
也劝有用论的一方不用在这里坚持了, 可以娱乐的事情很多, 何必在这里庸人自扰呢? 就此退出了. 呵呵!
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回复 753# vetijet 的帖子

你好,请不要激动。

你前面转的那些英文评论里面有任何关于发烧电源线的理论依据?我看了下,都是某位国外发烧电源线拥簇者的自我感受和猜测,没有任何合理的理论依据。

我看得懂这么简单的英文,所以我说出了以上的话。

谢谢配合。
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http://bbs.hifi168.com/showtopic-110038-1.aspx

楼主其实是个白瓷。。。。
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耳听为实

耳听为实。 以前我也是不太相信电源或者电源线的作用,但对比听后确实有明显变化,包括相位、滤波器、更换电源线等方式。
最后编辑dd431 最后编辑于 2010-09-11 07:04:17
CDpro2+PrismsoundADA8+Melody1688II+Martin4.2s+唯美6号
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