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电源改造,有实在的理论依据么? [复制链接]

381#

这是德颂的纯净交流电源,是不是就起到了拉专线的作用?售价8000多,个人认为如果真要改善电源,花几千买线,还不如买这个,呵呵
支持这个观点,对症下药!
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382#

回复 380# 玉生烟 的帖子

应该是半夜时候市电的电压最稳定,估计那时候所以发烧电源线的拥簇家里的音箱都发出了Wilson Audio旗舰落地箱的声音 ^_^
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383#

原帖由 江南流云 于 2010-8-13 13:50:00 发表
这是德颂的纯净交流电源,是不是就起到了拉专线的作用?售价8000多,个人认为如果真要改善电源,花几千买线,还不如买这个,呵呵
支持这个观点,对症下药!

两样全买更好,玩音响不就在玩电!!!
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384#

原帖由 2010 于 2010-8-13 14:48:00 发表
[quote] 原帖由 江南流云 于 2010-8-13 13:50:00 发表
这是德颂的纯净交流电源,是不是就起到了拉专线的作用?售价8000多,个人认为如果真要改善电源,花几千买线,还不如买这个,呵呵
支持这个观点,对症......

我觉得这玩意就是个稳压器
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385#

原帖由 白驹过隙 于 2010-8-13 15:09:00 发表
[quote] 原帖由 2010 于 2010-8-13 14:48:00 发表
[quote] 原帖由 江南流云 于 2010-8-13 13:50:00 发表
这是德颂的纯净交流电源,是不是就起到了拉专线的作用?售价8000多,个人认为如果真要改善电......


如果这玩意才是个稳压器,那电源线是什么呢?最起码,没有稳压的功能,滤波?理论上也没有,说的最多的,也就是抗干扰。
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386#

原帖由 江南流云 于 2010-8-13 13:36:00 发表
非常简单的道理,前面用10米4寸口径的水管,在压力不变的条件下,后面接1米6寸甚至1分口径的水管,出水量会有改变吗?发烧线就那么神奇!


是的,换一条粗的保险丝都会比细的好声。
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387#

老浦东终于忍不住又出来混淆视听了。

经验告诉我们, 当一个理屈词穷的人期望通过混乱转移焦点的时候, 最好的办法就是无视混乱, 继续把焦点维持在主题上.  谢谢配合.  ^_^
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388#

原帖由 老浦东 于 2010-8-13 15:24:00 发表
原帖由 江南流云 于 2010-8-13 13:36:00 发表
非常简单的道理,前面用10米4寸口径的水管,在压力不变的条件下,后面接1米6寸甚至1分口径的水管,出水量会有改变吗?发烧线就那么神奇!


是的,换一条粗的保险丝都会比细的好声。

晕。老浦东,你这纯粹胡说了。不管粗细,总量是不会有变化的。如果真的是越粗越好,那反而不需要所谓HIFI线材了,弄上一大把线,拧成一股粗的就OK了。
呵呵,另:晚上给你打款。
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389#

google了一下,转篇老外关于电源提升的帖子

这帖子认为电源的改造是值得的,但没看到关于发烧线的说法,继续研究中。
SUPPLIER Power Supply…is it Really worth the extra cost?
Published November 12th, 2008 in Firestone Audio General, Fubar USB DAC, Headphone Amplifiers

SUPPLIER Power Supply……Is It Really Worth the Extra Cost?

This is a great question and one we get quite often. Many people just can’t fathom how a power supply can help improve the sound of an audio component. This article applies to all Firestone components that are compatible with the Supplier. (The Supplier is not for use with the Tube Head, Little Country III and Big Joe)

SUPPLIER PSU Upgrade
Before we talk specifically about the SUPPLIER Power Supply Upgrade lets talk a little about power supplies in general. If you look at the history of Hi-Fi one can see the continued progression of bigger, better and cleaner power supplies being added to high-end components. If you examine any high-end component you’ll find that clearly half the cost or more is in the power supply section. One could argue that improvements in electricity are the source of all improvement in Audio.

If you could order up the ideal power supply it would be one that provides unlimited current while the voltage remains perfectly constant. Nice in theory but not practical in the real world as every type of power supply has limitations that stray from this ideal. As with most any audio component, the Firestone products use DC voltage to power their circuits. They require a clean, stable 24 volts DC to sound their best.

Lets look at the three types of power supplies commonly used in audio

Batteries
Either “one time use” or rechargeable

Batteries, especially the rechargeable type, are pretty much an ideal power source for audio components if they are correctly sized. A battery is a reliable source of clean, quiet power. That is if the battery is large enough to power the component for a reasonable time without significant discharge. One problem is that the impedance of a battery increases as it discharges, the higher the impedance the faster the rise in voltage ripple. If the frequency of the voltage ripple is in the audio range then this can cause undesirable noise to be heard from the component.

Another obvious con for battery powered systems is the constant requirement for either replacement or recharging.

Wall Wart power supplies
This is the little black box supplied with your Firestone Audio Component (FAC)

The standard wall wart power supply is a non linear, unregulated power supply; these are the simplest and least expensive solution for powering your Firestone product.

With the wall wart you have 120VAC going in and 24VDC coming out (assuming a stable 120VAC source). It includes a rectifier to convert the AC power to DC and a smoothing circuit to help tame the pulsating DC. Unfortunately there is still a significant amount of ripple on the DC side and the small space available in most wall warts limits the amount of filtering that can be used to reduce the ripple. The result is degradation in the DC power and a corresponding degradation in audio quality.

Another problem with an unregulated power supply is that the output voltage will rise and fall with changes to the input voltage. Any variation on the AC input side will be directly translated into DC variation on the output side. If your AC wall power has hash, surges, spikes, brown outs or some other ugliness; this will appear on the DC side as well and degrade the audio quality. These DC artifacts are known as noise and ripple. Fortunately your FAC is equipped with ”power regulation” and “low pass filter” circuits to help minimize the bad effects of this.

Last but not least is the low power output capability of the wall wart. Electronics that are “power challenged” tend to sound thin or flat at frequency extremes and don’t have the oomph to follow the peaks and large dynamic swings in the music. The FAC’s as with any audio component will draw considerably more current during intense passages in the music; this is when the wall wart may not have the jam to follow along.

Linear, Regulated Power Supplies
This is the SUPPLIER Power Supply upgrade.

To help deal with the AC voltage variation and other assorted nastiness from the wall power, the Firestone engineers designed the SUPPLIER power supply. The SUPPLIER is a linear, regulated power supply so this means the DC output voltage is largely independent of the AC input voltage. It is designed to output a stable 24 VDC despite variances to the AC input voltage. Is it perfect? Of course not, but it’s a major improvement over the relatively large voltage swings seen at the DC output of a wall wart.

The Supplier also has vastly superior filtering for both DC ripple and noise. This is where you’ll experience a majority of the increase in sound quality; tighter bass, clearer highs and a better defined midrange. To my ear the biggest improvement is in the dynamic contrasts, dynamics are noticeably improved. Also, if your system can reveal it you’ll experience an increase in the magical, low level detail as the line noise and hash present with the wall wart are filtered away by the Supplier.

The SUPPLIER also has much higher power output and superior reserve power compared to the wall wart. Its high current output effortlessly follows the music regardless of dynamics and helps your FAC deliver the very best from the music.

So is it really worth the extra cost?
YES, with one exception. If you are using the Fubar II with a low resolution system then the improvements may not be as apparent. I personally can detect the addition of the Supplier 100% of the time in my system in an A - B - A test; all I have to do is listen to the low level detail in the music

The Supplier is highly recommended for the Spitfire, Cute Beyond and Fubars!

Want more? Here is a great professional review on the Supplier Power Supply.

Enjoy!






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2 Responses to “SUPPLIER Power Supply…is it Really worth the extra cost?”  
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1 Alvador
Mar 18th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

This advice is really going to help, thanks.

2 Hifiturk
Jul 26th, 2009 at 2:47 am

good article.
thanks.
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390#

原帖由 老浦东 于 2010-8-13 15:24:00 发表
原帖由 江南流云 于 2010-8-13 13:36:00 发表
非常简单的道理,前面用10米4寸口径的水管,在压力不变的条件下,后面接1米6寸甚至1分口径的水管,出水量会有改变吗?发烧线就那么神奇!


是的,换一条粗的保险丝都会比细的好声。

又来插科打诨扰乱视线了,没说保险丝不影响音质哇,您老难不成开发出了带保险丝的电源线了。我的观点是在不处理、改造电源的前提下,电源线只要不低于市电传输线的品质就不会成为瓶颈从而影响供电质量,同样所谓发烧电源线即便品质再高也提高不了供电质量,目前的科技水平下还没有那条发烧线具备整流滤波作用吧。
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This is the SUPPLIER Power Supply upgrade.

To help deal with the AC voltage variation and other assorted nastiness from the wall power, the Firestone engineers designed the SUPPLIER power supply. The SUPPLIER is a linear, regulated power supply so this means the DC output voltage is largely independent of the AC input voltage. It is designed to output a stable 24 VDC despite variances to the AC input voltage. Is it perfect? Of course not, but it’s a major improvement over the relatively large voltage swings seen at the DC output of a wall wart.

The Supplier also has vastly superior filtering for both DC ripple and noise. This is where you’ll experience a majority of the increase in sound quality; tighter bass, clearer highs and a better defined midrange. To my ear the biggest improvement is in the dynamic contrasts, dynamics are noticeably improved. Also, if your system can reveal it you’ll experience an increase in the magical, low level detail as the line noise and hash present with the wall wart are filtered away by the Supplier.

The SUPPLIER also has much higher power output and superior reserve power compared to the wall wart. Its high current output effortlessly follows the music regardless of dynamics and helps your FAC deliver the very best from the music.

So is it really worth the extra cost?
YES, with one exception. If you are using the Fubar II with a low resolution system then the improvements may not be as apparent. I personally can detect the addition of the Supplier 100% of the time in my system in an A - B - A test; all I have to do is listen to the low level detail in the music

The Supplier is highly recommended for the Spitfire, Cute Beyond and Fubars!

Want more? Here is a great professional review on the Supplier Power Supply.
这一段似乎是说线性的、稳定的电源改造设备是必要的,呵呵,外语够呛。。。
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392#

1 当今Hifi功放和CD机里的电源模块都设计得很不错了,完全能屏蔽外部的干扰。例如我的马兰士PM-11 [/quote]
看来LZ认同厂家忽悠,而不认同朋友的听感。。。。。。
本设备集成了一个采用大容量平滑电容器的扼流圈输入电源电路。。。。。
厂家的这一句话比烧友或线材厂家的1万句话都管用。但请问LZ,是怎样的一个电路?电路原理是什么?
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393#

再重复一下

各位发烧电源线的拥簇,请停止无休止的千奇百怪比喻. 用心平气和的姿态还参加讨论 ^_^



这个帖子的主题是什么? -  电源改造,有实在的理论依据么?



如果有实在的理论依据,请贴出来。就算是前面错误的理论,例如什么发烧电源线更好的传输一堆电子到功放和CD机理跑来跑去这样的观点,也能激起大家辩论的热情



但如果没有实在的理论依据, 和不一起讨论为什么呢?没有科学理论支持, 没有仪器量化声音改善的指标, 甚至是目前人类无法感知的东西造成的, 那设计和开发发烧电源线的是"人"还是"非人"?



就像某些自制发烧电源线的卖家, 没有仪器帮他测试不同电源线带来的量化改变 没有成套的发烧电源线开发的科学理论, 也没有大量不同Hifi器材做产品测试,就凭着熟练的电工技术, 加上不同部件的排序组合, 就可以开发出一系列的发烧电源线, 凭的是什么?会不会是靠用户的心理暗示?^_^


不是你用了发烧电源线,就不能再质疑其功效了。开开心心明明白白的玩Hifi,比盲从盲听,更有趣。不是么?
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394#

原帖由 bearrider 于 2010-8-13 17:47:00 发表
再重复一下

各位发烧电源线的拥簇,请停止无休止的千奇百怪比喻. 用心平气和的姿态还参加讨论 ^_^



这个帖子的主题是什么? -  电源改造,有实在的理论依据么?
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说句公道话,人家老浦东没暗示我,我也没听出来什么区别,但电源线的功效没有打折扣,我的dCS在工作……
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395#

改造电源--------经过整流滤波稳压后的电源对于CD\功放的工作状态肯定是有积极作用的,从而提高重播的质量。在此基础上再用上发烧电源线,也是能起到积极作用的,其作用是保证处理过的电源的顺利传输。发烧线和高质量保险丝等起到只是传送电流顺畅的作用而已,对于电源是无任何改善效果的。
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原帖由 江南流云 于 2010-8-13 18:05:00 发表
改造电源--------经过整流滤波稳压后的电源对于CD\功放的工作状态肯定是有积极作用的,从而提高重播的质量。在此基础上再用上发烧电源线,也是能起到积极作用的,其作用是保证处理过的电源的顺利传输。发烧线和高质量保险丝等起到只是传送电流顺畅的作用而已,对于电源是无任何改善效果的。


进而的问题是 - 有没有理论依据能证明电流顺畅能影响最终音频信号,从而达到改善声音的结果? 到现在都好几百个回复了,一个合理的理论依据都没看到。
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397#

说句公道话,人家老浦东没暗示我,我也没听出来什么区别,但电源线的功效没有打折扣,我的dCS在工作……


马上发烧电源线的拥簇会再次告诉你

1 你没有听出来,说明你素质不够

2 你没有听出来,说明你器材档次不够
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398#

楼主这就偏激了,cd、功放所产生的音频信号难道不是电器元件工作后产生的吗,优质的电源对于电器元件的正常工作会没效果吗?如果这样的话得到结果就是---------什么都没用,那低品质的电器元件制造出东东和高品质元件制造出的东东,也没区别了哇。
最后编辑江南流云 最后编辑于 2010-08-13 18:22:53
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399#

劣质的电源不仅有碍音响的重播效果,而且会损坏器材,我的胆机就因为供电电源过高且不稳定烧坏过胆管。
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原帖由 玉生烟 于 2010-8-13 15:51:00 发表
原帖由 老浦东 于 2010-8-13 15:24:00 发表
[quote] 原帖由 江南流云 于 2010-8-13 13:36:00 发表
非常简单的道理,前面用10米4寸口径的水管,在压力不变的条件下,后面接1米6寸甚至1分口径的水管,出水量会有改变吗?发烧线就那么神奇!


是的,换一条粗的保险丝都会比细的好声。 [/q

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