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7161#

你好!ericfdai

原帖由 ericfdai 于 2008-12-9 21:44:00 发表
[quote] 原帖由 gdsztianmei 于 2008-12-9 21:30:00 发表
[quote] 原帖由 ericfdai 于 2008-12-8 15:19:00 发表
[quote] 原帖由 llhu 于 2008-12-8 15:06:00 发表
班长啊,我已经出手啦!再说早期西门子的CCa一时也找不到,正好有两对TFK CCa。

“各位:
这帖子还是以讨论交流为主,最好不再这里买卖管子,以免影响气氛.
在交易版我有出CCa的帖子”.
请问楼主的交易版在哪里?我想去看看。
不好意思,我是个新手来的,看见楼主发的贴子都是很好,能否告诉我吗?感谢!

 

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7162#

还是上了对这个
P1010241b.jpg (, 下载次数:147)

jpg(2008/12/10 21:27:04 上传)

P1010241b.jpg

最后编辑舟子 最后编辑于 2008-12-10 21:27:04
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7163#

原帖由 wxs 于 2008-12-9 18:13:00 发表
原帖由 llhu 于 2008-12-8 16:31:00 发表
班长这不是气人吗!?早不说,怕俺没米??多少米一对能不能给个价?要是真好我就出掉
TFKcca!!

llhu兄,TFKcca出给我,多少米?

wxs兄,我托朋友在德国买的TFK  CCa,好没有寄过来呢。我现在用这两对西门子e88cc,我相信再加两对TFK应该更好些。我明天开始又出差。
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7164#

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原帖由 nnrszgj 于 2008-12-10 4:56:00 发表
沃尔沃的ECC83暗码怎么识别?比如:

mc2 D8J
Mc1 D7F

MC 开头是德国原厂的意思么?mc1是否好些?

英文好的看这里:
1.欧洲胆管型号编码表:
http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/EL34-Story/EL34-Seite2-Dateien/Philips-Tube-Code.htm
2.Philips/Mullard/Amperex/Valvo/Siemens..胆管暗码编码规则
http://www.audiotubes.com/mullcode.htm

我来解释一下,供大家参考。
第一行的前两位是型号,比如mc是ECC83,I6是12AX7,不过我发现mc是17毫米的长屏,I6是短屏。看看这个链接。
http://www.tube-classics.de/TC/Tubes/Valvo%20ECC83/ECC83.htm
http://www.tube-classics.de/TC/Tubes/SieTel%20ECC83/ECC83.htm
不知是否正确。
第一行的后面表示生产的批次号,这个很难确定具体的含义。不过有时非常有用,比如7316的批次0,1,2,3,4,5。0批次是长屏的非常非常罕见,声音比短屏的好很多,价格上也贵了很多。1开始就是短屏了,到5已经是短屏小环了。看看老外对7316的生产批次和声音的评论。7316的长屏和ECC82的长屏D环声音类似。
7316
The way to determine vintage of any Philips family tube, and the tubes of other manufacturer's as well, is to understand the codes used to identify tube type, manufacture origin, and manufacture date. Most Philips tubes had a mostly straightforward coding system.
In the specific case of the 7316, what you would like to know is the type, factory the tube was manufactured at, and when it was manufactured. For the 7316, the type codes ranged from Ct0, which was the long plate D-getter tube, to the Ct5, which had short plates and a small o-getter. The Ct0 was the only long plate type and it dates back to the late 1950s. By about 1960 and onward, until the end of production in what looks like the mid'ish 1970s, all 7316s had short plates and varied, at least by what could be easily seen, with three getter styles. A large O-getter, a heavy D-/stirrup-shaped getter - not to be confused with the earlier long plate/D-getter tube - and a small o-getter.
While I've seen a tube or two that wasn't made by Philips/Amperex labled as a 7316, Philips introduced this tube type as an industrial tube, hence its 7XXX designation, and only produced it in the Heerlen, Holland plant.
To my ears all the short plate tubes, designated Ct1 through Ct5, sound the same regardless of vintage or type code. The long plate tube, the Ct0, sounds very different.
Which is better? Short or long plate? Well, both. The short plate tubes are fast, crisp, punchy with crystalline clarity. The long plate tube pretty much sounds like a long plate Amperex 12AU7/ECC82 of the same vintage, which is softer/more lush. Pleb that I am, I actually usually prefer the short plate types, but in some systems the long plate tube can be stunningly good.
I think the 7316 is just a nice tube, on the short list of very good tubes in the 12AU7/ECC82 family. New ones always test very close between their sections and also very close among different tubes. It looks like production tolerances were kept tight. They are VERY quiet (though they weren't designed for low noise applications, so says the Philips datasheets) both electrically and mechanically, and they're very long-lived. In my experience they're otherwise entirely troublefree.
- SJ

第二行的第一个是工厂代码,Eric介绍的网站上都列出了。后面的是生产时间。大家看看链接就明白了。不过年代一定要结合管子的结构。
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7165#

原帖由 gdsztianmei 于 2008-12-10 19:24:00 发表

怎么没有人回复我啊?我想买如上图所示的Siemens CCa,ericfdai你能不能给我答复?谢谢!


我这里展示的管子一般是不卖的.仅供大家鉴赏和交流.
如你需要的请短信联系.谢谢
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7166#

请教ericfdai班长:用GS-5A测胆机测试大盾ECC33,测试卡片是选用6SN7的合适还是选用6SL7的合适?
6SL7卡片的屏流最高点只到3.0mA,无法判断ECC33屏流的正常与否,用6SN7卡片能否测试?
谢谢!
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原帖由 Jason_WY_Ma 于 2008-12-10 21:53:00 发表
[quote]引用:
原帖由 nnrszgj 于 2008-12-10 4:56:00 发表
沃尔沃的ECC83暗码怎么识别?比如:

mc2 D8J
Mc1 D7F

MC 开头是德国原厂的意思么?mc1是否好些?

英文好的看这里:
1.欧洲胆管型号编码表:
[url=http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/EL34-Story/EL34-Sei


所以mc2 D8J
mc--ECC83
2--第二批次
D-Valvo Hamberg(德国汉堡Valvo工厂)
8-1958年(1950s的才是长屏)
J-Oct(十月)

另外关于批次,我想发表我个人的看法,第一个批次往往是管子设计定型后正式生产的的第一种型号,以后会更改,往往是在工艺上或用料上的改进,其实是降低成本,工厂内部称CR(Cost Reduction降低成本)1,2,3...或Alt01,02,03。有些朋友会说了,有时性能(Specification或Datasheet)上也会变化会更好,不过这时会生成一个新的系列类试6DJ8,6922,ECC88,7308,前面的两个代码就变化了。前面讲的7316的批次(前文中那个老外写错了,应该是7L不是7t),各批次对客户保证的性能都差不多,可是声音确相差很多。所以相同工厂相同型号代码的,批次越小(年代越早)越好。
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7168#

请看:6SL7和6SN7的测试卡片图照

请看:6SL7和6SN7的测试卡片图照
DSCN4904.jpg (, 下载次数:245)

jpg(2008/12/10 22:38:50 上传)

DSCN4904.jpg

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7169#

请看:6SL7和6SN7的测试卡片图照
DSCN4905.jpg (, 下载次数:239)

jpg(2008/12/10 22:41:31 上传)

DSCN4905.jpg

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7170#

原帖由 wxs 于 2008-12-10 22:27:00 发表
请教ericfdai班长:用GS-5A测胆机测试大盾ECC33,测试卡片是选用6SN7的合适还是选用6SL7的合适?
6SL7卡片的屏流最高点只到3.0mA,无法判断ECC33屏流的正常与否,用6SN7卡片能否测试?
谢谢!

ECC33应该是6SN7的代用管。看看这个对照表
6SN7GTBECC32ECC33ECC34
vplate: 200V250V200V250V200V250V200V250V

Vgrid

-5

-8

-3

-4.6

-3

-4.6

-12

-15

Ip (ma)

8.6

7.1

5

6

8

7.5

7.8

10

Mu

41

38

51

32

68

37.5

24.6

15.6

Gm (trans)

5700

5000

3500

2300

7700

4000

4500

3100

Rp (ohm)

7.3

8.2

14.5

14

8.9

9.3

5.5

5.1

Pa (W)

1.7

1.8

1

1.5

1.6

1.8

1.56

2.5

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