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101#

单端电路跟本就不全在A1和A2累电路形色,A1和A2只能在推挽中,如果在单端有就已经好大失真了
间单来说单端就系用一只管来工作正负两个波,在电路上还要看工作电压才能定它的静态电流,才能做好达到好声
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102#

A1.A2只是一个玩发,来达到某种声音的,在曲线中可看出拿最佳的工作点当然有最好表现,但不在最好工作点上也能出得到声的,这就放弃了功率来得到其它的东西!~

   在很多的情况下,电子管并不能在手册中所给出的标准状态下运用,这就需要进行设计,例如,需要将电子管运用在比较省电的状态,使之具有较小的板极损耗,在较高的板压电源可以利用,这个电压是电子管所能够容许的,但与标准工作态所规定的数量不同,需要将电子管运用在与标准工作状态规定的不同的负载等等

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103#

请 为胆疯狂  谈谈9084D单端可是纯甲类?能告诉我多少就请告诉我多少。
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104#

为胆疯狂 在 2003-9-13 3:29:26 发表的内容
单端电路跟本就不全在A1和A2累电路形色,A1和A2只能在推挽中,如果在单端有就已经好大失真了
间单来说单端就系用一只管来工作正负两个波,在电路上还要看工作电压才能定它的静态电流,才能做好达到好声


           怎么会没有 A2 ! 查清楚再说吧.  像 805  管就一定工作於A2. 845 可设计於 A1 或 A2. 不错 A2 失真是比较失真大,所以我说何必为几W 放弃 A1 音质. 你测一下它在满功率时屏流跟静态比较一下便知.  以下二个 Link 就是在讨论 A2 - 会英文的话请看看 :

            http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl?forum=set&n=10850&highlight=A2&r=&session=
http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl?forum=set&n=567&highlight=A2&r=&session=


The basic operating principle of controlling current flow in a tube (hence controlling voltage) depends upon the grid of the tube having a negative voltage potential with respect to the cathode. The grid is placed between the cathode and anode. Electrons are boiled off the cathode and are highly attracted to the positively charged anode. The more negative charge on the grid there is, the less current flow there is between the anode and cathode as the negative charge "repels" (poor term) the electrons that are trying to get from the cathode to the anode. The more positive charge there is on the grid, the less resistance there is to the moving electrons and the more current flow.
Driving a tube into A2 means that you are applying a positive voltage on the grid with respect to the cathode for part of the audio signal cycle. What this does is create current in the grid structure of the tube by attracting some of the electrons from the cathode emission. The anode is still significantly charged more positive so it still draws the majority of the current flow. Some of the beefy transmitting tubes like the 811 and 572 are designed with sturdy grid structures to handle the current that A2 operation induces (this was done with RF transmitting in mind, fortunately, they can handle class A2 for audio frequencies as well). A tube like the 2A3 does not have as sturdy of a grid structure. If you drive it into A2 regularly, you will cause increased wear on the fragile grid structure. Eventually, the grid burns up/blacks out and can no longer control the current flow. FWIW, when there is no signal on the grid, the tube is running at the maximum amount of plate power dissipation that the cathode bias allows. When you apply a signal on the grid, it swings more negative for part of the cycle thereby reducing current flow. So, on average, the tube runs cooler when it is providing power into a load. Practically speaking, the tube will last longer driving a load than it would sitting at idle. Although, that means doodley squat if you frying the grid structure driving into class A2 continuously.
4 watts rms roughly equals 8 watts peak power. RMS is the effective continuous power. An 8 watt RMS 300B amp will have 16 watts of peak power. Peak power is a relatively worthless number and if you are judging by specs, it should be ignored.

Tom §.
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105#

A2 并不是一种玩法而是一工作点,对胆机设计有点经验的也知道(设计胆机与玩胆机不同). 不在最好工作点只可造出个人喜好的声音,在很多人喜欢CAx ,x浪等... 造出好声是不容易的. 还有很多胆都不是设计作 A2 用的栅流更会导致短命!   小心看看上文吧!  不要单疯狂,还是科学点,保持半点清醒吧!  至於好不好声? 自己听吧! 不要太相信别人吹水.
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106#

kick兄,本人前几天又听了LB1,用BRYSTON 7BST推,大动态非常好,没有失真,即使用贵丰AT推也不失真,TUTTI第五段和最后两段图画展览会均无明显失真,看来还是你的功放问题。昨天和我的老同学,JOLIDA公司的前任总经理通了个电话,在胆机方面他是位行家,谈到了你的问题,他说出了一套理论,什么峰峰值之类,反正我听不懂,他的观点就是你的功放和音箱不匹配,不能说功放驱动力不强,也不能说你的音箱不能爆,就是不匹配,他说玩音响就是要讲究匹配,两样贵价的器材搭配并不一定好声,斯巴克的老总和总设计师和他都是老朋友,9084D是能放大动态的,你的音箱播大动态也没有问题,为何放在一起就不行呢?就是因为搭配不当!看来,唯一解决的办法就是换功放或换音箱了!
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107#

winkll 在 2003-9-10 9:13:29 发表的内容
用胆机不能听大动态的音乐。


此说不妥,蛋鸡完全可以爆到到七彩
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108#

那当然 2A3 也能有大动态,如你的音箱有一百零儿db!   不匹配? 对! 对於Kick 的音箱来说明显是功率不够!
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109#

kick 在 2003-9-10 9:30:55 发表的内容
另外搞一只合并式石后级可以放大动态了吗?
如果能够证明LB1在一定条件下也可以放大动态,那么我就有必要再搞一只后级。


毫无必要。你的前级差了一点。如果用sc10 动态就会好多了。我不赞成随便换功放,但是我赞成动手打磨前级,影响太大了,也太见效了。
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110#

计划将现在的前级用来做电脑音箱的前级。
SC10、PRE-1或1688,以后再说。

先对付着听吧,既不想换功放,也不想换音箱,说不定换了反而不如我现在的效果,下一步先搞好房子再说,想搞成软调。

我换成天龙890来推,播TUTTI一样的出现明显失真,890功率肯定够了,经过摆位和调整空间等等,我感觉不一定是9084D功率不够。

问题是平时我基本不听大动态的音乐。

反复对比得出一个结论,CDP和喇叭线都应该用日本的,但我拒绝这样做,因为我抵制日货。
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