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荷洛维兹对演奏评论的看法,十分精彩。另外有他弟子janis对他的... [复制链接]

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Horowitz自己对音乐评论的看法。我有他亲口口述的一段mp3,可惜不能上传。(版主专利)

音乐演奏是很难被评头品足的。那些评价家什么都不知道。他们不知道巴赫是怎么弹的,却在那乱拍砖和吐口水。
Bach的一首作品,由贝多芬天天演绎,又由肖邦天天演绎。他们两位之间的演绎的差异大家都想象得到了吧。但是贝多芬与肖邦都可以将那件作品弹得美轮美奂。于是有一些品论家就拍砖贝多芬,有一些评论家就对肖邦吐口水。他们根本就没有办法知道究竟谁的阐释才是对的。但是贝多芬与肖邦都是伟大的艺术家,而且他们都是天才。


下面是《伟大钢琴家》对荷老的叙述,有关他的技巧问题。我翻译一下有关horowitz的手平姿势问题。

Horowitz was sometimes criticized for his highly mannered style in his performances, with magnificent double-fortissimos suddenly followed by pianissimos. Indeed, he was able to produce an extraordinary volume of sound from his piano, without ever banging, unique in the history of the instrument. Another unique aspect of his pianism was his taut, precise, and exciting attack, which was ever-present, noticeable even in his renditions of pieces that were not particularly technically demanding (e.g. his magnificent performances of miniatures, such as the Chopin Mazurkas). He is also famous for his octave technique; his scales in octaves were extraordinarily fast without sacrificing any precision whatsoever, his hands moving so rapidly as to appear blurred. When asked by the pianist Tedd Joselson how he practiced octaves, Joselson reports, "He practiced them exactly as we were all taught to do." (Schonberg). His hand-position was very unusual, playing with flat fingers. Rachmaninoff once commented upon it, saying that Horowitz plays contrary to what they had been taught, yet somehow with Horowitz it works. The little finger of his right hand was always curled tight until it needed to play a note; as music critic Harold Schonberg put it, "it was like a strike of a cobra" (The Great Pianists 436).

他的手形十分独特,手指是放平的。rachmaninogg就曾经讲过,horowitz的弹法与传统的钢琴教学背道而驰,但是在他身上那种弹法是可行的。他的右手的尾指总是弯的,除非要用到它来弹一个音符,schonberg就说过,那就象是响美蛇的突袭。





再有一段由janis写的评论
A Tribute  

Frederic Chopin once claimed that he never played a piece twice in the same way.  Creative and recreative artistry of this kind is given only to a select few.
When it is combined with an all round mastery of the keyboard, one is confronted with a force that is very special indeed.
Vladimir Horowitz, surely one of the greatest and most fascinating artists in the entire history of piano playing - was such a force.
肖邦讲过,同一件作品,他不会去用同一种方式演绎两次(荷老多次讲过者句话)。创新和再创新的艺术演绎只是一小部分人的专利。当这种专利与对键盘的全面掌握合而为一,我们可以感受到那种独特的威力。Horowtiz,钢琴历史上最伟大,最引人如胜的钢琴家之一,就是这种威力的代表。


In the fifty years I knew him, I had the good fortune to hear many of his performances, both public and in private.  During the four years I studied with him as a teenager, and indeed, long afterwards, I enjoyed the privilege of hearing a large part of the piano repertoire played for me in the privacy of his living room.  What a thrilling unforgettable experience!

I remember from those sessions even more than any of their manifold incidental beauties, the special ‘divine inconsistency’ I have mentioned – that mysterious ever changing freedom is the very heart of creativity.  But, as great painters and composers have their ‘periods,’  so do great performing musicians - stretches of time, whatever differences of detail there may be between individual performances, the overall interpretative approach remains the same.
正如一些伟大的画家与作曲家一样,音乐家也有他们的低潮。随着他们的年纪渐大,即使演奏不能在维持在高峰水准,他们对作品的处理手法也还是顶尖的。



Listening to these magnificent recordings, one soon realises that Horowitz was passing through a very special ‘period’ in his career, very different from when he had last appeared before the public in 1953.  Since then, everything had been re-thought, re-felt, re-lived.
听着这些录音,大家都会察觉到horowitz是处于那种低潮时期,与他在1953年前的演奏大为不同。自那时候起,所有东西都被推翻了。

What I hear in these performances is a purity, a kind of innocence that gives such a natural beauty to his singing phrases.  Dynamic gradations are handled with such evenness.  Everything is spun out with such an air of simplicity.  It is as though this great musician had taken his huge arsenal of pianistic gifts, not to mention his artistry and imagination - and addressed them thus -  “You shall not dominate me – I am aware of you, but you are at my command.”


Yet nothing has been sacrificed.  Vladimir Horowitz is still true to himself.  The extraordinary technique, the beautiful singing tone and sense of color, the huge sonority which required the story-telling imagination – all are still present, but his playing seems to come from a different part of his being.
Every ‘period’ of this pianist’s extraordinary career helps to define his identity, but these recordings were a particular revelation to me in highlighting the unique greatness that is Vladimir Horowitz.
但是一切如旧。Horowitz还是Horowitz.  那超人的技巧, 歌唱搬的琴声(horowitz经常讲他要piano发出唱歌的声音)与音色,那种只能由充满想象力的叙述才能产生的巨响,统统都健在。虽然他的演奏方式仿佛从来自他的另一种性格。
任何一个钢琴家的的每一个低潮时期的演奏都是对他们那杰出的演奏生涯的一个精彩节选,但是荷老的这些录音于我来说,是一种独一无二的伟大的呈现。而那个伟大,就是霍洛维兹。

1993  Byron Janis
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VRMLSite 在 2006-4-7 20:02:23 发表的内容
霍络维兹与切尔卡斯基关系不错的,他们两人经常出席对方音乐会并互相祝贺。切尔卡斯基80岁纪念音乐会时(当时霍络维兹已死)则由霍络维兹女儿到场祝贺。这一切都说明霍络维兹与切尔卡斯基关系密切而且经常切磋,切比霍小7岁,霍名气这么大,切又是很谦虚的人,当然会对霍有几分尊敬意。

1930年的音乐会我也没听过,也不好评论,切也有拉三录音(DECCA的),可惜也没听过。


唉,我都说了,你硬要说鱼翅不好吃没有人会怪你。就是你口味怪点罢了。何必呢,你不去听就是了。我看你的贴子说你为了对他发生兴趣经常听他的唱片。勉强没有幸福的。再说,你怎么不说说拉本人对horowtiz的评价,他比horowitz大多了,能做他老爸,horowitz弹拉三的时候还是两人刚认识。

horowitz获得的葛莱美奖项列表,其中就包括那个拉三的。当然,有人说grammy是小奖,没有权威性,就另当别论了。
Awards and Recognitions
Grammy Award for Best Classical Performance - Instrumental Soloist or Soloists (with or without orchestra):

Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz in Concert (Haydn, Schumann, Scriabin, Debussy, Mozart, Chopin) (1968)
Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz on Television (Chopin, Scriabin, Scarlatti, Horowitz) (1969)
Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz — The Studio Recordings, New York 1985 (1987)
Grammy Award for Best Instrumental Soloist(s) Performance (with orchestra):

Carlo Maria Giulini (conductor), Vladimir Horowitz & the La Scala Opera Orchestra for Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 23 (1989)
Eugene Ormandy (conductor), Vladimir Horowitz & the New York Philharmonic for Rachmaninoff: Con. No. 3 in D Minor for Piano (Horowitz Golden Jubilee) (1979)
Grammy Award for Best Instrumental Soloist Performance (without orchestra):

Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz Plays Rachmaninoff (Etudes-Tableaux Piano Music; Sonatas) (1972)
Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz Plays Chopin (1973)
Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz Plays Scriabin (1974)
Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz Concerts 1975/76 (1977)
Vladimir Horowitz for The Horowitz Concerts 1977/78 (1979)
Vladimir Horowitz for The Horowitz Concerts 1978/79 (1980)
Vladimir Horowitz for The Horowitz Concerts 1979/80 (1982)
Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz in Moscow (1988)
Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz — Discovered Treasures (Chopin, Liszt, Scarlatti, Scriabin, Clementi) (1993)
Vladimir Horowitz for The Last Recording' (1991)
Grammy Award for Best Classical Album:

Vladimir Horowitz for Columbia Records Presents Vladimir Horowitz
Thomas Frost (producer) & Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz at Carnegie Hall — An Historic Return (1966)
Thomas Frost, Richard Killough (producers) & Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz Plays Rachmaninoff (Etudes-Tableaux Piano Music; Sonatas) (1972)
Thomas Frost (producer), Leonard Bernstein (conductor), Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, Vladimir Horowitz, Yehudi Menuhin, Mstislav Rostropovich, Isaac Stern, Lyndon Woodside & the New York Philharmonic for Concert of the Century (1978)
Thomas Frost (producer) & Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz in Moscow (1988)
Thomas Frost (producer) & Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz — The Studio Recordings, New York 1985 (1987)
Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award, 1990

Grammy Award for Best Engineered Album, Classical:

Fred Plaut (engineer) & Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz at Carnegie Hall — An Historic Return (1966)
Paul Goodman (engineer) & Vladimir Horowitz for Horowitz — The Studio Recordings, New York 1985 (1987)
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死硬还嘴犟,不堪理喻。平时看你有的帖子还不错,但在霍的问题上,实在是不堪理喻!我已经说了,你现在有这种看法,谁也不能把你怎么样,但等你二十年后再来看你自己写的霍的帖子,会自己笑自己的,有这么一天的!
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老卡fans 在 2006-4-7 20:37:00 发表的内容
最后介绍大家一本有125位知名钢琴家合写的对horowitz的评价,
书名Remembering Horowitz: 125 Pianists Recall a Legend
包括clibun,pollini,berman,serkin,earl wild,vasary, cherskey等人

他们或许可以告诉VRMLSite为什么horowitz能拥有他应得的名气与成就。


这种书一般真正出自钢琴家口中的评价是很少的(或许就是那么一句话,或许还有负面的评价),大部分内容都是作者根据这些评价做天马行空的想象然后写出天花烂醉的空洞内容。作者的想象力十分丰富,能用某钢琴家的一句话就能写出一大章的内容。

上面钢琴家中,clibun和berman是最推崇里赫特的,pollini是最推崇阿劳和塞金的。塞金是最推崇施纳贝尔的,怀尔德与切尔卡斯基推崇谁就不知道了。

若真要写其他钢琴家对某钢琴家的评价,推崇施纳贝尔,里赫特,顾伦·古尔德的钢琴家肯定比推崇霍络维兹的钢琴家多的多!!
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霍络维兹与切尔卡斯基关系不错的,他们两人经常出席对方音乐会并互相祝贺。切尔卡斯基80岁纪念音乐会时(当时霍络维兹已死)则由霍络维兹女儿到场祝贺。这一切都说明霍络维兹与切尔卡斯基关系密切而且经常切磋,切比霍小7岁,霍名气这么大,切又是很谦虚的人,当然会对霍有几分尊敬意。

1930年的音乐会我也没听过,也不好评论,切也有拉三录音(DECCA的),可惜也没听过。
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最后介绍大家一本有125位知名钢琴家合写的对horowitz的评价,
书名Remembering Horowitz: 125 Pianists Recall a Legend
包括clibun,pollini,berman,serkin,earl wild,vasary, cherskey等人

他们或许可以告诉VRMLSite为什么horowitz能拥有他应得的名气与成就。
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顶上去,给置顶贴的作者看看。
(悄悄问一句,如果老霍在现在还在演奏的话,会不会去弹爵士呐?)
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上面钢琴家中,clibun和berman是最推崇里赫特的,pollini是最推崇阿劳和塞金的。塞金是最推崇施纳贝尔的,怀尔德与切尔卡斯基推崇谁就不知道了。

道理很简单,个人性格不同,阅历不同,所以品位也不同,(并不是品位高低的问题,只是不同的问题)。有人喜欢richter,有人喜欢horowitz。我最喜欢的是arrau。

自己喜欢某位演奏家拼命捧他是可以的,但不要通过贬低别人心中的偶像来,抬高自己的偶像。horowitz让大批的音乐爱好者疯狂了半个多世纪,说自己不喜欢他是可以的,这是个人的选择问题,但说他是垃圾,或是比谁差,那简直就是侮辱了千千万万的horowtiz的fans的智慧。

拉赫玛尼若夫人本人,曾在30年代,亲自到场聆听了horowitz演奏拉三钢琴协奏曲。演出结束后,他激动的跑上去同horowitz拥抱,并说拉三最权威的演奏是horowitz,超过了自己的演绎。三十年代,horowitz还是乐坛新星,拉赫玛尼若夫,应该不需要去拍他的马匹吧?难道说,拉赫玛尼若夫的音乐鉴赏力还不如老兄你?就算拉赫的综合音乐鉴赏力不如这位老兄,那么他最起码对自己的作品有最大发言权吧?


个人的口味不同罢了。都是超一流的演奏家之间的比较,都是相对的,个人特点不同。这个毕竟不是跑步看谁快,或是举重比谁力气大。说他不行能证明什么呢?
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“音乐演奏是很难被评头品足的。那些评价家什么都不知道。他们不知道巴赫是怎么弹的,却在那乱拍砖和吐口水。
Bach的一首作品,由贝多芬天天演绎,又由肖邦天天演绎。他们两位之间的演绎的差异大家都想象得到了吧。但是贝多芬与肖邦都可以将那件作品弹得美轮美奂。于是有一些品论家就拍砖贝多芬,有一些评论家就对肖邦吐口水。他们根本就没有办法知道究竟谁的阐释才是对的。但是贝多芬与肖邦都是伟大的艺术家,而且他们都是天才。”

霍络维兹本来就是一个目中无人的人,他连施纳贝尔,巴克豪斯,费舍尔都不放在眼里,当然不会把乐评家放在眼里。

“音乐演奏是很难被评头品足的。那些评价家什么都不知道。他们不知道巴赫是怎么弹的,却在那乱拍砖和吐口水。”

这话倒是个性十足,但毫无道理,使用老掉牙的方式就可将其反驳:“吃客虽然不会抄蛋但却可以尝出厨师抄蛋手艺如何”

“Bach的一首作品,由贝多芬天天演绎,又由肖邦天天演绎。他们两位之间的演绎的差异大家都想象得到了吧。但是贝多芬与肖邦都可以将那件作品弹得美轮美奂。于是有一些品论家就拍砖贝多芬,有一些评论家就对肖邦吐口水。他们根本就没有办法知道究竟谁的阐释才是对的。但是贝多芬与肖邦都是伟大的艺术家,而且他们都是天才。”

这分明是在说“音乐评论家”这一职业是无用职业,“音乐评论家”都是很无知的。在说这话时霍络维兹却不知自己喜欢的舒曼,李斯特都是伟大的音乐评论家。

Janis毕竟是霍络维兹的徒弟(是霍络维兹的唯一徒弟吧),难免有包庇霍络维兹之嫌。里赫特给克莱本打了100分,提携过科奇什,里赫特给了两个后生一点小恩小惠就使他们感激不尽。他们两人就在各种场合不遗余力推荐里赫特,言必称里赫特。徒弟爱自己的师傅这是很自然的。所以Janis的话不足为信。

大家来看看这段:

Once Horowitz invited Andras Schiff to his home
after being impressed by a performance of Schiff he heard on the
radio, only to learn after Schiff's visit that Schiff had
dismissed him as some sort of anachronism and non-musician in an
interview.
一次霍络维兹在收音机里被席夫的琴声打动后邀请席夫到自己家中,等席夫离开后霍络维兹才了解到席夫在来访之前就曾在一次采访中批评过霍络维兹是一个不会把握风格,无音乐性的家伙。

席夫与Janis都是钢琴家,为什么他们对霍络维兹意见差别这么大呢?

霍络维兹的演奏,由Janis评论过,又由席夫评论过。他们两位之间的评论的差异大家都想象的到了吧。但是Janis与席夫都可以将霍络维兹的演奏评论的很有道理。于是有一些爱乐者就拍砖Janis,有一些爱乐者就对席夫吐口水。他们根本就没有办法知道究竟谁的评论才是对的。但Janis与席夫都是伟大的钢琴家,而且他们都是天才。
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好了,janis的不可信,看看Cherkassky的关于horowitz的拉三

"I shall never forget the first time I heard Horowitz in the Rakhmaninov Third. I believe it was 1930, on New Year's Eve at Carnegie Hall. As I was listening, I actually thought I was going to faint. I had to take a long walk afterward to clear my head, I was absolutely crazy. In 1986, I played the Rakhmaninov Third in London, at the Royal Festival Hall. After the concert, I was told Horowitz was there. Thank goodness I didn't know he was coming. Imagine playing the Rakhmaninov Third before Horowitz. I would have been embarrassed. Fortunately, I played it very well that evening, but nobody has ever reached the heights Horowitz did in that concerto. Nobody had such terrific technique. Many people speak of Horowitz's sound in the b
ass; I found his sound in the high registers unique

我1930年第一次听horowitz演奏拉三的时候,当年是新年夜晚在卡耐基大厅,我听完之后就差点要晕了。我是近乎疯了,在听后要走一段很长的路才清醒过来。1986年我自己在london的皇家大厅演奏了一次拉三,事后才知道当时horowiz在场。感谢上帝我演奏前并不知道他要来,那我不就是班门弄斧吗?幸亏我当晚表现得还不错。
但是仍然没有人在拉三的演奏上能达到horowitz的高度,因为没有人有那种摄人的技巧。很多人都说horowitz的低音强,我说他的琴音是独一无二的高度。
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dx的问题令我想起一个例子

话说我的鬼老室友是读文学专业的,我说,我想读狄更斯的《双城记》,可是这本百多年前的经典对我来说太多生字了。岂料话音未落,他就说,我就不喜欢那老头,他的小说里边全都是不关主题的无聊对话。凭《双城记》的经典地位与狄更斯的名望,他的冗长而又罗嗦的不着边幅的描述对不起他文坛巨匠的称号。

可是他这个评论又有什么用呢?????双城记仍然是经典,而狄更斯依然是文坛巨匠。
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托斯卡尼尼也对HOROWITZ赞不绝口...无论在HOROWITZ成为其女婿之前还是之后...
连RUBINSTEIN也不得不承认HOROWITZ是杰出的钢琴演奏家...
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