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linn的genki和ikemi对比过的来说说差别啊 [复制链接]

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fkdkgb 在 2006-8-23 12:23:06 发表的内容
不单LINN的贴纸,唱片镇也不同,开关电源的密封盒的材质也不同,很多元器件也不同............这么多的不同,不知是改良了还是精简了?呵呵.


线路板除了元件外也有改动的,看看红圈内的。开关电源的确现在的OEM生产厂家换了。

制造成本应该是会随着产量的增大而减少的。精简估计还不至于,LINN的牌子还是响当当的品质保证。要不怎么还每年涨价干嘛呢![upload=jpg]Upload/200682312345031179.jpg[/upload]
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Heerochen 在 2006-8-22 23:48:58 发表的内容
G08真的有那么好吗?有点想狠狠心上G08或者奇美。如果差别不是很大,也不想浪费钱,上genki就行了。


一分价钱一分货,差别肯定不是一点点。单单内部设计及用料已是千差万别,仅转盘系统IKEMI比GENKI好出太多,十分安静以及紧密地设计。

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最近这一系列已经停产,如果手上银子不是很紧,就直接上IKEMI吧!折腾换器材也是一种浪费,即便能定下心来安心听音乐,多花些钱也是值得的。
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fkdkgb 在 2006-8-23 12:23:06 发表的内容
不单LINN的贴纸,唱片镇也不同,开关电源的密封盒的材质也不同,很多元器件也不同............这么多的不同,不知是改良了还是精简了?呵呵.


线路板除了元件外也有改动的,看看红圈内的。开关电源的确现在的OEM生产厂家换了。

制造成本应该是会随着产量的增大而减少的。精简估计还不至于,LINN的牌子还是响当当的品质保证。要不怎么还每年涨价干嘛呢!
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产品生产的批号不一样,所以因该有些区别,现在看来有些元件是不一样的。转盘有LINN贴纸的99年的产品,另一台是2005年的产品。

莲的很多产品经常早期和后期版本都有更新,譬如:KOLEKTOR的前极,早期不是开关电源,音量只有60级可调,后期更新后采用开关电源,音量可以控制100级。
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Heerochen 在 2006-8-23 13:34:02 发表的内容
红圈部分不一样啊,哪台是后来的啊?


红圈的是早期99年版的,少了2块集成块。觉得IKEMI可能这也是商业策略,不断有一些更新或者升级刺激消费者购买,其实早就留了一手。
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RE: "New" vs. "old" Ikemi    Fredrik Lejonklou  
  Feb 22, 2002 15:32 PST  
paolo nobile wrote:
  the two units -"first" and "last" version - sound
considerably different!  

I have done similar comparisons myself, and indeed the Ikemi has
improved. I seriously doubt, though, that the two official revisions
(transport software oct 1999 and EFM adjustment pot jan 2001) made so
far are the most important and therefore "the things to look for".

If I understand it correctly, Linn continually do hardware revisions
(change components) without telling anyone about it. Occasionally they
make layout revisions, changes to an entire circuit board, which they
_might_ declare as an official update.

On the older products, I used to keep track on this stuff. Now I've
given up, simply accepting (and appreciating!) that newer=better.

Oh, by the way, I agree with the general description of your findings.
My year 2000 Ikemi is a bit more laid back than the latest I heard, but
I still find it incredibly good sounding. If a new Genki scores 5 in
musical performance and a new Ikemi 10, my 2 year old Ikemi scored above
9. (Sorry about this number exercise, can't find any more words today).

Best regards,
Fredrik Lejonklou
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Heerochen 在 2006-8-25 18:20:14 发表的内容 惊奇的电路和奇美基本一样?



由于LINN的IKEMI和GENKI使用同一本说明书,因此在说明书中有这两台机器的比较。随附。

大致意思: IKEMI无论是转盘还是电路都更为精准并具备平衡输出,是超越以前任何一台分体CD机品质的产品;针对的市场对象是发烧友。(我自己最先留下好影响的就是这个铝制的转盘,实在是太精密!)

虽然使用同样的D/A芯片和设计思路,GENKI无论转盘还是电路都使用了简单但同样可靠耐用的设计,而且其输出可调,可以直接接驳后极放大而省去前极放大。针对普通用户的多重需求的设计。
(偶一开始不喜欢电脑光驱般的托盘)

在LINN的概念里,音源是最为首要,没有好的音源,再好的后极产品都不会好声。升级音响的步骤应该是音源-功率放大-扬声器。

所以个人认为,那些认为IKEMI和GENKI声音差不多的,很有可能后端产品还不适合分辨出两者的区别,即便可能已经是很好的设备。如果是用LINN的西装,很多国外的用家对于两者声音的评价是GENKI得5分,第一版IKEMI9分,第二版的IKEMI10分。这也是那么多人愿意花双倍的价格买IKEMI的原因。



The Linn CD players.

We have a range of four CD players:

The Classik integrated CD player, pre and power-amplifier is ourstarting point. This is a self contained, independent productcapable of giving a powerful and truly musical performance from a compact and versatile package.

The Genki is a true high performance CD player for those who want to build a great music playing system one component at a time. Its audio quality justifies using it with the best control and playback systems, and its built in variable output allows a complete CD playing system to be built with only a power amplifier and loudspeakers.

The Ikemi exceeds the audio performance of our previous best CD player and external D/A convertor, but all in one compact box. With its range of outputs, both balanced and single ended, its beautifully engineered mechanism and unique audio design it combines the latest technology with years of digital audio experience.

The CD12 is our ‘flagship’ CD player. A case machined from two solid aluminium plates contains the Linn ‘CD Engine’, the highest digital audio technology and countless hours of intense engineering work. With no expense spared in its design and manufacture it represents the best we can do.


Details, similarities, differences.

The most obvious external difference between the Ikemi and Genki is the CD loading slot. The slim aluminium drawer of the Ikemi is the only visible part of the CD mechanism. Inside is a precision machined and very ingenious CD loading mechanism. Its ‘mechatronic’ design is built up from a rigid circuit board which contains the CD servo and decoding circuitry, the mechanism control circuitry and software, and the motors, pulleys, belts and optical sensors which monitor the disc loading process. The mechanism is not only a pleasure to use but also provides considerable vibration and environmental protection for the laser system, increasing its immunity to external disturbances. The digital audio signals from this ‘CD engine’ are connected through very short links to the ‘audio module’ which contains our ‘2D’ digital signal processing algorithm, the D/A convertors, the master clock, filters, output circuitry and power supply regulators. This uses (as do all our products) high density surface mount circuitry to keep the signal paths short and direct, giving a very electrically quiet product with high immunity to external electrical disturbances. The Ikemi has both single ended and balanced audio outputs, making it easy to connect to any high performance control amplifier. The balanced output, unlike many others, uses a very low noise circuit topology allowing maximum signal transfer from the Ikemi.

The Genki uses a simple, reliable and robust CD mechanism, which though lacking the refinement of the Ikemi mechanism has exactly the same laser, CD servo and decoding circuitry, D/A convertor and power supply. All the digital and analogue audio circuitry is contained on one high density surface mount circuit board. The ultra low noise power supplies, low jitter master clock and high resolution D/A convertor are all focussed on providing high musical performance through both the fixed and variable outputs. If you already have a good control amplifier and are therefore using the Genki fixed output, you may wish to consider using the Genki variable output to feed a power amplifier in another room, making it easy to enjoy great sound around your house. For even more flexibility, see the section on Knekt.

The intelligence of the Ikemi and Genki is contained in a fast microprocessor on the control module, behind the front panel. The operating software is held in ‘flash’ memory which is loaded, when the product is built, through the optional RS232 interface module. The RS232 interface module provides complete electrical isolation between the Ikemi and an external control system and allows, for example, a home automation system to provide the user interface to the audio system, with no compromise to the audio performance.

Power for both products is supplied through the latest generation of our ‘Brilliant’ switch mode power supply. Our understanding and use of this ‘silent power’ technology has enabled us to improve the performance of all our source and control products over the last few years, and with the imminent launch of our latest power amplifier, has just taken our system performance higher still. The same power supply technology is used to power the Genki, Ikemi, CD12 and our best control amplifiers.
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