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静电 丝带 平板 号角 一个都不能少!
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继续召集屏风党
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玩屏风的本来就少,经验方面就更少了.本来这东西就难玩,按我一哥们的话说"玩屏风的就是自虐狂,都是疯B级别的".
在我印象里北京方面好象只有迪高一直有对买不出去的3.6,都放了好几年了,名线那里还有一对3.6用布拉德流斯在推.其他的我暂时还未看到 ,但是有一些在玩QUAD的兄弟也在不断的与QUAD斗争着.MAGGIE在台湾卖的很不好,代理都是接单才进货,国内从迪高那对放了多年的3.6看情况也好不了多少.
玩MAGGIE是很困难的,看一些消息,很多人玩了几年还没有搞定,最终都放弃了.主要原因是玩这个的很少,经验又少的可怜,不像传统喇叭,这论坛里随便抓出个人来都能说出个123来.而且MAGGIE的很多用法是我们现在还不知道的,玩MAGNEPAN就是最自我的挑战.
希望所有玩MAGNEPAN的朋友们能够多通信息,共同进步.
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4#

估计也就这几个了
我自己也在用MAGNEPAN,不过玩的很一般,声音马马虎虎,不值一提.
最后编辑potrain 最后编辑于 2009-05-14 11:13:24
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spectral sdr-1000
spectral dma-90
magnepan 1.5
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现在的系统还有许多可改进的地方.下一步主要是调整线缆的部分.
现在用的线有问题,是临时借来应急的.所以声音状态还不是太好.
另外MAGNEPAN的跳线部分现在用的是CARDAS机内散线加CMC香蕉头DIY的跳线线.
保险现在使用的是LITTLEFUSE的瓷管
脚架部分现在暂时还没办法进行大的调整,将来肯定要好好加强下,如果能上SA或MYE的就好了,不过国内很难搞到.
最后编辑potrain 最后编辑于 2009-05-14 11:54:14
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环境一般,就直扔在家里客厅,没做任何人为的吸音可扩散,就是一般的四白落地的白墙.
横长摆位.客厅宽度约5M,长度4M多,两箱高音按照非正常方式,靠内侧,中间大约1.8M左右.听音乐的位置跟箱子成正三角型,两箱略内凹,约25度,没太仔细摆.
大力功放当然好,不过越是大力的越容易粗.选择DMA-90这机也是碰运气,老的DMA-50/80其实跟90差不多,但是内部结构和用料稍微差一点,DMA-100是塑封管,不在考虑范围内.看看能接受的就只有90了.这机器功率不大.100W8欧 200W4欧,在超大音量下推力还是存在不足的,但是在一般听音的音量下还是足够使用的.
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没相机!
要是有早就拍了!
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原帖由 Dr kuang 于 2009-5-14 14:31:00 发表
在客厅能玩好这对箱是运气,可遇不可求。至于功率问题,这还要看是听什么,喜欢多大音量,我还听过用只有几瓦的211胆后级来推1.6,中高频迷人极了。

我那客厅比较怪异,长边的两头一头直接通阳台,阳台有接近两米宽,另一头是过道,一直通厨房,大约5M.所以相当于两边没侧墙.
在两个箱子背后各放了一大盆植物,主要是做声音的吸收和扩散,由于离后墙太近,只有80左右,只能靠植物来扩散能量.
喇叭内凹是为了增大喇叭中心与后墙的距离,调节音场和定位也需要调节角度,但是这只能找个均衡点,想很完美太难,最起码我是觉得办不到的.
主要听的东西是老录音,对70年代后的东西基本不感兴趣,古典爵士歌剧古乐都听,比较杂.
最后编辑potrain 最后编辑于 2009-05-14 14:46:19
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回复 28# 爱乐998 的帖子

最好给个环境的尺寸,另外夹角我是这样来调的:
人坐在皇帝位,从喇叭的高音位置垂直向前,人的一只耳朵在延长线上,然后再左右微调一下.
请注意,喇叭的SN号是一样的,后面一个是1 一个是2.如果你感觉中间音场比较空可以考虑左2右1的方式,如果两个喇叭距离比较近,可以考虑左1右2的方式.
1号喇叭的高音是在左侧的,2号是在右侧的.
个人觉得背后的空间虽然重要,但是要想让MAGNEPAN声音自然宽度可能更重要些,两边一定要尽量多的留出空间.至少要空出80CM以上.
个人的一点经验:后部空间影响低频量感,两侧空间影响宽松程度,内凹角度影响定位效果,喇叭间距影响音场密度.这几者又相互关联,此消彼长.怎样和谐是关键,有时候懂得放弃才能得到更多.玩起来还是很有乐趣的.
最后编辑potrain 最后编辑于 2009-05-14 15:47:21
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回复 32# 爱乐998 的帖子

1.6回家之后一定要把跳线换掉,那是最直接的升级方式.
如果可能也把保险换掉,不过那东西要想找好东西不太容易.可以先不换.
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MAGNEPAN本身比较直白,如果再用比较直白的专业功放推恐怕声音会过去直白生硬.SPECTRAL已经算是很感性的声音了,但是用在MAGNEPAN上还是感觉不够有魅力.看来下一步是需要上MIT/SPECTRAL线来提上最后一口气了.
静电 丝带 平板 号角 一个都不能少!
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原帖由 bennylookli 于 2009-5-15 1:35:00 发表
换跳线 换电阻 换线 都很灵敏 电阻的功力 影响很大 摆位影响也是巨大的 曾经乘老婆在做饭 冒死放在短边(4.5*8) 听了半个小时 清晰很多 低频力度和厚度更好些

够幸福的了,能有4.5M宽.在北京要想搞这么间房间好贵的.
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G12我没听过,不过凭感觉应该是比较弱的东西.
如果以我的个人喜好,在充分发挥系统潜力的情况下,MG12输给QUAD 988 2805是很大可能的,如果上了63就更没什么奇怪的了,不过不知道他们什么听音习惯,如果只拼室内乐,QUAD如果不胜出,调试的因素就基本上可以确定是有问题的了.
另外对水公的贵丰感觉.......,没任何恶意,是不是八字不和呀
正在YY中.....
最后编辑potrain 最后编辑于 2009-05-15 10:11:58
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原帖由 吹水公 于 2009-5-15 10:56:00 发表
哈哈 不如你们一起过来听听pk 特别是mg的玩家 吃住玩我包

等下月出差广东一定过去学习下,我也不是只用MAG的,怪异的东西通吃的.
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回复 54# 吹水公 的帖子

我北京的,下月可能要出差到广州几天,富盛兄那边和水公那边都一定要过去拜访下.
希望时间上来的及.
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回复 57# 科研级旗舰 的帖子

等大约半年左右系统彻底调整好了吧,现在系统还存在一些问题.
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老外的建议

Pushing the envelope - taking the Magnepan 3.6R to the extreme!
by Carl Hruza

It find it odd that the manufacturer of a speaker with the potential of the Magnepan 3.6R doesn't offer it in a "hot rod" or SE version, at least not in the U.S. Anyone who has looked closely at the internals of a 3.6R knows that the internal parts and wiring—and the standard of workmanship—are below par, and cannot possibly extract the best performance from this planar design. I come from a manufacturing background, so I understand the concept of building for a specific market and controlling costs to deliver a competitive (and profitable) product, but why oh why must the 3.6R be built like a cheap transistor radio? I estimate that spending an additional $750 or so at the manufacturing stage would make the 3.6R competitive in the $15,000 market sector, maybe higher.  
First let me cover some basics for people who are not familiar with the stock 3.6Rs. The 3.6R is a three-way speaker, with a planar/magnetic midrange/bass panel and a true ribbon tweeter. Its specifications include a sensitivity of 85dB and impedance of 4 ohms, but believe me when I say that the 3.6Rs need a strong amplifier to make them sing. Use a high-current amp that provides clean power without clipping, and you'll be rewarded with a deep, wide soundstage and very good dynamics, even with stock 3.6Rs.
The 3.6Rs do some things better than most speakers. Their natural tone through the midrange and seamless, cohesive transition throughout the frequency range cannot be matched by any comparably priced box speakers (at least any that I've heard), but their weaknesses can be disturbing. They don't do bass particularly well, and fair poorly in the imaging department. They also lack the dynamic impact in the lower registers of good box designs, and in this era of thunderous home theater sound effects, that eliminates 60 percent of their potential market. Many people refer to the 3.6Rs' limitations as being inherent to the design, but I've never really been convinced of that. I've heard many times that it is necessary to move a lot of air to deliver low-frequency dynamic impact, but the bass and midrange panels of the 3.6Rs are quite large.
The first thing that strikes you about the Magnepan 3.6s is how open and natural they sound. You immediately realize that most of what you hear in typical box speakers are the boxes. The next thing that strikes you is how differently these speakers express themselves when compared to conventional box designs. The sound has tremendous scale and clarity. Music flows from these speakers in a big open wave, though it doesn't jump out at you with the same snap and attack that box speakers provide.
The soundstage is huge, with excellent center fill energy and a cohesive presentation. The stage easily extends beyond the outer edges of the speakers when required, if they are given sufficient driving force. Stage depth is quite good, though not as deep as that of other speakers, particularly the Quad ESL 57s or the Apogee Caliper Signature IIs. As mentioned earlier, bass is somewhat lacking, both in extension and fullness, which makes the sound slightly lean.
I initially found the tweeters to be a little too bright. Instruments like trumpets, and even woodwind instruments, had too much energy and force. Installing a resistor in series with the ribbons, which can easily be done on the speaker's back plate, robs the 3.6R of some air and transparency, and I do not recommend it as a solution for reducing treble energy. I was able to somewhat tame the problem by moving the speakers closer to the front wall, but with the tradeoff of a loss of soundstage depth. I was able to achieve a compromise between tonality and stage depth, but it left me wanting more of what the compromise had removed. In a nutshell, I wasn't happy enough with the sound of the stock 3.6Rs to be able to live with and enjoy them in the long run.
Measuring 24 x 71 x 1.6 inches, the 3.6R is large, but not particularly heavy, so unpacking, assembly, and positioning is not difficult for one person. Magnepan, for reasons known only to them, does not follow the rigid-construction-is-best theory. The stock stands, flimsy at best, are victims of a design-to-a-price policy. Also disappointing are the external crossover boxes, and the way they couple to the speakers. The crossover components for the tweeter/mids are inside the 3.6Rs, but the bass crossover components are mounted in small boxes that attach to the rear of the speakers via metal pins that act as electrical connectors. Small brackets attach the boxes to the speakers, removing stress from the pins. In my opinion, this setup is inadequate. How can speakers that have gotten so much critical acclaim fly in the face of everything we know about the importance of construction integrity and rigidity?
In case you haven't noticed, a modification craze has been sweeping through the audio world: Take a component of reasonable quality, add some better parts, and watch it compete with the best. Driven by a sense of frustration and the urge to prove to myself that I could still use a soldering iron, I embarked upon the task of destroying a perfectly good set of speakers. Well, not quite.
There are several stages of improvement available for the stock 3.6Rs, and each will provide the inspiration to move to the next. If you have the suitable skills, and are motivated to take on the ultimate upgrade, go for it. If you are of a nervous disposition or have limited funds, try steps 1 and 2, or 1 and 2 in conjunction with 3 and 4, and you will have yourself a nice improvement for under $1000.

Step 1: Ditch the pins that connect the external crossover boxes to the speakers and replace them with custom Cardas "Magnepan" wires, available from www.dedicatedaudio.com for around $200. This worthwhile modification adds a little clarity and transparency to the sound. All that is required is an Allen key (and $200!).
Step 2: Remove the fuses and the tweeter attenuation circuitry on the inside of the back plate. Re-crimp the wiring inside the cavity behind the back plate with better, gold-plated crimps. This is very worthwhile. The sound improves in many ways, almost like removing the grille cloths from box speakers. You will get more detail, more air, and even slightly improved bass extension. Do not bypass the fuses unless you are certain that your amp can deliver sufficient power to the speakers at higher SPLs without clipping. Otherwise you may end up having to do an expensive panel/ribbon replacement.
Step 3: Replace the stock stands with custom stands that add mass and rigidity to the frame. MYE stands (available at www.myesound.com) seem to be preferred by Magnepan users, and offer very worthwhile improvements for less than $400. I'm cheap, so I decided to build my own stands based on the MYE design and a pair of SoundOrg custom 3.6R stands. Of course, I spent much more than $400. The principal of the MYE design and my design is to mass load the stand for rigidity, and attach the speaker further up the frame to prevent flexing. Then, couple the stand to the floor with vibration-dissipating spikes or brass cones. You will hear improvements in transparency and also a small increase in stage depth and layering.
Step 4: Try Magwire speaker cables! I've tried many different speaker cables with my 3.6Rs, including Purist Audio, Sonoran, AudioQuest, AlphaCore Goertz, and Virtual Dynamics Nite IIs. Prior to my discovery of Magwire, the Nite IIs were far and away the best choice in my setup, but the Magwire provides detail and clarity that even the $2200 VDs can't touch.
Step 5: Crossover modifications and internal wire upgrade. These are by far the most complex and irreversible of the recommended modifications. Details follow, but I would be happy to provide more to anyone wishing to embark on similar madness.  Organize your parts carefully. You will be replacing all internal and external crossover components, and completely rebuilding the crossovers on external boards. You can have the new crossovers fully built before your speakers undergo the knife.
(1) Choose a crossover board of suitable proportions. I used two 24 x 12 x 2-inch pieces of solid mahogany, but would have appreciated another 2 or 3 inches in both length and width to allow better spacing of the components. This sounds like a large board, but your new crossover components are going to be much larger than the stock parts, so you will need it.
I built my new crossovers using components of the same value but better quality than the stock components. I used Solen fast-caps for the larger values, Kimber caps for the middle values, and Jensen oil/paper caps for the smaller values on the tweeters. I used Solen iron-core inductors for the bass and AlphaCore air-core inductors on the mids/highs. (www.madisound.com).  I used Cardas silver solder and flux, and believe me, it made life much easier than the Ratshack stuff that doesn't stick to anything other than the carpet (www.dedicatedaudio.com). I used DH Labs wiring throughout the crossover (www.madisound.com).
(2) Remove the back plates from the speakers and replace the internal wiring. Leave 18 inches of wire past the point of leaving the back of the speaker. Pull the leads from the three drivers through the back plate cavities and terminate them with good-quality spades. I used Nordost Flatline cable and AlphaCore solid silver spades. I didn't use spades inside the speaker, but drilled small holes in the ends of the Nordost cables and used the cables themselves as the crimps.
(3) Terminate the leads on one side of your new crossover. I used Cardas binding posts (available from www.dedicatedaudio.com). You will need ten sets of binding posts, around $400 if you use the Cardas.
Building the crossovers is relatively easy, though some of the soldering maneuvers are tricky, particularly when eight caps need to be wired in parallel. I experimented with isolation under the components with great results, so it's a good idea to leave a little slack on the point-to-point wiring to facilitate this. I tried several materials, including Vibrapods and foam. I got the best results with packaging air bags, but they were a real pain. I used brass cones on the underside of the crossover bases and spiked them into the carpet (www.supercellaudio.com).
The results were worth the effort. After around 200 to 300 hours of break-in, the sound was better in every respect. The deficiencies of the stock 3.6Rs were almost fully addressed. Dynamic impact in the lower registers greatly improved. Bass was more extended, tighter, and more tuneful. The highs were effortless and extended, and less shrill. Transparency was greatly improved, as was stage presentation, particularly depth. There was a much-improved sense of layering, with air around instruments that just wasn't there before. The cost of the crossover upgrade and speaker rewire was more than $2500, but it performed beyond its price, at least when taking an audiophile perspective.
There is something very special about the Magnepan 3.6Rs, but with modification, they can be elevated into a different league altogether. With the removal of their constraints, and partnered with appropriate equipment (particularly a good, high-powered amp), the 3.6Rs are capable of stellar performance. If you have the inclination, time, and patience to pursue the goal of improving the sound of the stock speakers, I highly recommend trying one or more of these upgrades.
Please be sure that you have the necessary skills to perform these modifications. Some of them are difficult to reverse, so you must plan the process carefully. If you have doubts about your ability to complete the mods successfully, the job is better left to one of the many companies that can perform it on your behalf.
最后编辑potrain 最后编辑于 2009-05-15 21:56:17
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还没想好怎么动手,可能先从脚架开始吧.里面的元件虽然好动,但是这个东西不像传统箱,分音器好拆,如果要是上好元件肯定要外置分音器了.正在酝酿中.

看看老外怎么修MAGNEPAN IIIA

Magnepan IIIA Rewire
By Derek Atkin atkin11j@yahoo.com

I have always wanted a pair of Magnepans. Found a set of MGIIIAs on ebay that happened to be at an audio shop around the corner. They were described as being in good condition - with one bass panel out. I traded an old Marantz receiver for them and the fun began. I tried to repair the broken wire on the bass panel but it kept just falling apart. I knew that I would have to tackle a rewire on these speakers. Below is the chronicle of a Maggie re-wire.

Start by calling Magnepan and getting a repair kit for your speakers. The folks there are really helpful and its pretty specialized stuff, trying to track down the special wire (22ga & 31ga for the MGIIIA) is not worth it. I spent $140 for the bass and mid repair kits, two new black socks and a set of four tone discs.

Here are is the original untouched speaker as I brought it home and fired it up. You will notice what looks like a water stain at the bottom of the sock. Amazingly, everything under the covers looked ok. It took a while to get all the staples off to finally be able to remove the cover. I never removed the ribbon tweeter, was able to work around it
As you can see, these are not always wired from the factory in perfect shape. Wires are sometime crossed. People think that the green is a copper patina. The adhesive magnepan uses is actually green in color. All those wires are aluminum.
If you look closely you can see the little white zits on the wires. These are pockets of corrosion that eventually disintegrate the wire, and cause an open circuit.
First step is to strip off the old wires. Acetone and patience are the two major ingredients. Make sure before you start that you document the speaker. A wiring diagram and many digital pictures are essential. I counted the wires and noted where the double loops were, also where is one started and ended. You can not over document this step. Do not do both speakers at once, leave one all together for reference.
Using acetone and paper towel carefully clean all the old adhesive off the mylar. Use small pieces of scotch tape to fix any tears. Do not try to sterilize the mylar, to much pressure especially near the edges can tear it. If you have the tuning discs installed, very carefully drill out the rivets. I used a Dremel as it was smaller and offered more control
Here is the Mylar all ready for its new wires.
I choose to tackle my speakers without a jig. I had another person available to help with the rewire and we just did it by hand. The wires may not be 100% symmetrical but it doesn't really matter. As long as the wire runs are similar and in the magnet channels, the speakers will sound fine. I am not a good woodworker and figured it would take more time to make a jig than to just do them by hand.

Lay down a base of 3M #77 spray adhesive and start running the wires. I used an empty X-acto pen knife handle (blades kept at a very safe distance from the panel)for the bass wires and just did the mids by hand.
I used a small collection of washers to make sure the wire loops stuck down, don't leave them on to long or and extra cement might make them part of the speaker . Make sure that you leave plenty of wire and label them well.
First panel wiring runs are complete.
The tools of the trade. I found the special 3M Fastbond 30NF adhesive at Grainger. It was $22 a quart. In my attempt to initially repair the speaker, I got some aluminum specific solder and flux from a company call Kapp Alloy. Magnepan gives you solder in the kits they sell, I found this to work really well. It was at this point that I soldered my connections and tested the speaker. The wires are insulated, so you need to strip the insulation off. I used a combination of the soldering iron and a 220 grit sandpaper. For the 31ga wire, i joined them and soldered as a single wire. When done make sure you seal up the connection with the silicone. When testing the speaker make sure to keep the power to a very minimum, I wanted to confirm that they were operational. I also ran a multi meter across the circuit from the speaker terminal and got about 5 ohms for each driver.
You need to apply two light coats of the 3M contact adhesive. I waited a minimum of 12 hours between coats, using a 1" brush to apply.
After I reattached the discs and put the stands back on. I hooked the speakers up and let them play for a while. The adhesive had dried for a few days. Magnepan said that it might remain tacky for a little while yet. As long as its not "wet" tacky you should be fine. It is true, when these things are complete - they look like some bizarre 8th graders science project went wrong.
Back side of the finished right panel. I choose not to cut out the covers for the tweeter. It makes access a whole lot easier. The new socks from Magnepan went on without a hitch. Need 1/4 staples and a staple gun to attach at the bottom. I did a small cutout for the back panel and stretched the material around it.
Front of finished right panel
Finished left panel. These sounded like crap when I first hooked them up. They require just as much break in as a new pair of speakers.

All in all the process took about three weekends to complete. Nothing really super complicated. I was the most nervous about tearing the mylar, so taking the discs out was probably the biggest pain. This is basically the same thing the Magnepan does when you send them your speakers. I would guess that if these need this process done again, I would probably send then in and the mylar would need to be replaced. Total cost with all the stuff was under $200.
  
最后编辑potrain 最后编辑于 2009-05-16 08:36:10
静电 丝带 平板 号角 一个都不能少!
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