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哥伦比亚交响乐团真的很差吗? [复制链接]

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听评价:许多朋友都说这个团实力很差,乐手多是临时请的,水平参差不齐,甚至会把其他团整团请过来
查资料:哥伦比亚交响乐团由哥伦比亚公司成立,瓦尔特、比彻姆、斯特拉文斯基、伯恩斯坦等人都曾与之合作,瓦尔特晚年的大部分录音出自该团。个人感觉:除了弦乐较为单薄之外,听不出这个团有什么明显的缺陷,有些录音还是很不错的,例如斯特拉文斯基指挥自己的作品,瓦尔特著名的贝四六、勃交、马勒等。
想听听大家的看法。
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回复 2# futewen 的帖子

完全没有贬低这个团的意思,相反,希望有人介绍其特色。
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回复 8# rockme 的帖子

对于马勒的作品,乐团规模还是很重要的。
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回复 9# 音乐的奉献 的帖子

说到“点将”,今天的一些乐团也是由指挥家挑选、邀请各大乐团成员组成的,例如阿巴多棒下的卢塞恩节日乐团,实力绝对不容置疑。但批评者们认为,临时组建的乐团往往缺乏默契,乐手们无法在短时间内领悟指挥家的艺术特质,跟不上指挥家的节奏,所以他们排斥这些团的录音。事实上,当我聆听哥伦比亚的莫扎特、卢塞恩的马勒时,并不会有上述感觉。最近出的瓦尔特包子,里面分别收了大师在妞爱和哥伦比亚的莫交,对比着听,前者轻快,后者厚重,体现了大师风格上的变化,可有人非得说扭爱的莫交才能代表瓦尔特的水平,哥伦比亚不行,着实让我疑惑。
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回复 11# plczj 的帖子

总结一下批评者(非本人)的观点:
1 乐团规模偏小,不擅大部头(如瓦尔特的马交、布交)
2 演奏不够明快流畅(如瓦尔特的莫40、41)
3 细节处理不到位,关键乐句不够突出
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回复 10# shinelb 的帖子

提起哥伦比亚交响首先想到的肯定是瓦尔特。听他晚年的录音,音乐就像是在呼吸一样,起伏均匀,转调自然。不过,也有人认为这些录音结构松散,缺乏激情。
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回复 19# 音乐的奉献 的帖子

谢谢指教。CBS的模拟味确实深有感触,不知如何用语言表达出来,就像翻开古书时扑面而来的书香。听其他录音就听不出这味儿。
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回复 24# qsyd 的帖子

谢谢q兄的介绍。您对美国乐坛了解甚多,一直盼着您来解惑。原来哥伦比亚交响有东西之分,加州团居然还是瓦尔特亲自挑选训练的,之前从未耳闻。这样一来,对这个团的大部分质疑都可以不攻自破了。
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一段关于瓦尔特与哥伦比亚的介绍

However, the Columbia Orchestra which appeared on Bruno Walter's stereo recordings from 1957 onward was something different and very special. Bruno Walter had retired at age 80 after a very successful career recording with the New York Philharmonic Orchestra, where he served as Musical Advisor from 1947 to 1949, and as a frequent guest conductor over the following seven years. In 1957, while living in California, he was approached by Columbia's executives with a new proposal. Told of the advent of stereo recording and the threat that it constituted to the future sales of monaural records, Bruno Walter was asked to undertake a new series of recordings in stereo to preserve his interpretations in the most modern sound possible, and to allow them to reach new generations of listeners.

The result was a new Columbia Symphony Orchestra, chosen specifically by and for Bruno Walter. This group was an ensemble of 50 to 70 members, assembled from the best freelance musicians on the West Coast, many of whom typically never took on orchestral work, but made the exception to work with Bruno Walter. It was one of the best recording orchestras ever assembled in the USA, incorporating many of the best characteristics of the Wiener Philharmoniker and the Gewandhausorchester Leipzig - which Bruno Walter had conducted in Austria and Germany during the 1920’s and 1930’s - as well as the New York Philharmonic. This orchestra recorded much of the core Classical and Romantic repertoire under Bruno Walter's baton, including the late Mozart symphonies, Gustav Mahler's symphonies Nos. 1 and 9, the four Johannes Brahms symphonies, Dvorak's Symphonies Nos. 8 and 9, Schubert's Ninth, the Wagner orchestral music, and the complete L.v. Beethoven symphonies.
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回复 27# qsyd 的帖子

美国乐团多以城市命名,于是就想当然了:)
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回复 30# 贝多芬的乐迷 的帖子

我不认为您的话是合理的。我承认我朋友的观点有些偏激,但他们的出发点不坏,如果按照您的观点,世界上绝大多数东西(文学、艺术、体育)都没办法评价了。
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