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诚问:哪里做的"牛"(变压器) 最靓? [复制链接]

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复csdam兄:
  本人不敢称什么火牛行家,只是讲下自已的看法而已。但对于你所讲的还是无法理解。
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请找开平牛魔王
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老酒叔 在 2006-4-14 19:50:24 发表的内容
复csdam兄:
  本人不敢称什么火牛行家,只是讲下自已的看法而已。但对于你所讲的还是无法理解。


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无法理解并不重要!但事實的確如此!

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尚瑞牌电子管前级音频变压器VPS系列也值得胆机烧友们考虑啊.
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漫谈火牛
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  各式各样的音响器材大部份都需要用电,要用电的一般叫有源器材,有些无需用电的,如扬声器等,叫无源器材。在有源器材中,除了小部份使用干电池供电的之外,其他的一般都接到市电上去,这些器材便需要电源变压器,也是我们俗称"火牛"的东西了。
  今天几乎所有HiEnd器材都使用了环型电源变压器(也叫环牛)而其他较平直的机种,则依然使用传统的方型电源变压器(也叫方牛)。由于方牛的铁芯是由E形和I形矽钢片合成的,故方牛又叫EI牛。HiEnd器材大量使用环牛还是最近十多年的事。一般经验告诉我们,环牛的高频响应较佳,另外相同重量的环牛,它的功率和动态余量还比方牛高,环牛一般造价较高,消费者会感觉它较矜贵,故HiEnd机用环牛便变得理所当然了。其实从技术角度看,环牛比方牛优胜的,恐怕是它的漏磁量远远比方牛低,于是机內的布线可以变得更容易灵活了。
  但近年有研究发现环牛本身原来有潜在的弱点,对声音好坏而言,人们需要重新为环牛和方牛的论争重新思考了。
  在深入研究两者优劣前,我们先看看他们的构造。先说方牛,它的线圈是绕在一个方型的骨架上,绕制非常容易,如果使用特殊的机器,一次过可以同时绕制很多个,故此它的造价较廉宜。线圈绕好后,便把矽钢片有次序地进去。第一次先放E形的矽钢片E和I合起来成了一个日字型,第二次掉转方向,先放I形矽钢片,这样I和E合起来也是一个日字,这样梅花间竹地起来直至线圈骨架的中空位置填满了就可以。
  环牛的构造就大不相同了,首先我们需要把长长的条形的矽钢片卷制成环型,当卷到需要的厚度(即达到所需的截面面积)就要把它放进炉子里加热来使它定形。定形之后就成了一个环型的铁芯,跟是铺上绝缘薄膜,然后漆皮线要穿过铁芯的中央孔绕在环上,这样的制作,需要特殊的机器,而且每次只能绕一个环牛,所以环牛的造价就贵得多了。
  至于把火牛固定在底板上,环牛就非常简单了,只要在环牛上下各放一软片,再在中心位置以一镙栓加上一个像大型"戒指"(washer)状的压片,穿过底盘,加上丝帽,便可固定。而方牛则有臥式和立式两种固定方法。一般胆机都用臥式,方法是把紧紧铁芯的四颗镙栓加长,穿过底盘再加丝帽。而其他的多采用立式的,是在方牛外加上有脚的外罩,再用螺丝把外罩的脚位固定到底盘上去。
  既然环牛在很多方面都比方牛优胜,那么有人便想到把它用作胆机的输出牛,不是会更好吗?可是造出来的效果却卻很令人失望,从测试报告中看,环型输出牛高频响应很高,效率也很高,但在听感上,却奇奇怪怪,形象点来说是胆机换上环型输出牛后便变了石机声。这种尝试很快便完结,再沒有多少人试了。但是不是环牛真的不能做输出牛呢?答案是钱作怪。经过特別设计和处理,环牛可以成为最好的输出牛,只是成本可能是方牛的几十倍。
  近来的研究发现了什么环牛的弱点呢?这要先看看我们使用的市电的特性。在香港和中国,供电都是220V,但从理论上说,这220V是RMS值,换言之它的最高正峰值和负峰值分別为220V×1.414=311V。这只是一个理想值,但在现实生活,由于市电受到各种工业器材的污染,充满各式的突峰(spikes),电源的正负对称往往给破坏,出现直流漂移(DCoffset),举例说,如果出现10V的直流漂移,正峰值是321V,负峰值是301V,这样供电的两端虽然仍维持220VRMS的交流电,但同时出现10V的直流。这种直流漂移可以是瞬间的,也可以是断续的和持续的。更可怖的是这种交流两端的不规则不对称性并沒有什么简单的对策,而直流漂移的幅度,可以是几伏,也可以是几十伏。
  方才说的直流漂移,正正是环牛的死穴。原来环牛的铁芯,本身是一个完整的环形磁路,故它的效率较高,可是这个铁芯基本上是沒有空气缝隙的,问题就出来了,当线圈出现直流时,铁芯由于高效而急速磁化,出现磁滞现象。当出现磁滞时,火牛的效率会急速下降。另外,由于环牛的铁芯是与外面绝缘的,铁芯感应到的电荷便沒有途径消减了。当遇到这种情况时,(其实在都市里,这情况是很普遍的)用环牛的机器声音会明显劣化。有时环牛甚至人产生鸣叫的现象。
  而方牛呢?情况恰恰相反,它的弱点是效率较低,频应较窄,但正是这点,它对直流漂移有很强的免疫能力。原来方牛的铁芯每一片都由一块E和一块I合成,本身沒有完整的磁路,这正是它效率低的原因,但它正因为每片E和I矽钢片都有空气间隙,钢片不可能过度磁化,因此不容易产生磁滞现象,这样这空气间隙就成了一个磁滞的安全阀。所以一点直流漂移根本不会对方牛有什么影响。资深一点的发烧友都会知道,单端式的胆机用的输出牛是有大量直流通过的,这种牛的铁芯,并非把EI矽钢片梅花间竹地起来,而是一边是整组E片,另一边是整组I片。
  而且通过特殊的绕制方法,譬如双线并绕、反接、交叉等等,方牛是可以做到比环牛高20-30dB的噪音排斥力。这可不得了,因为20dB,就是原噪音的一百分之一,而30dB就是一千分之一了。
  那么,先前说的超级环牛又是怎样造出来的呢?道理很简单,只是在铁芯上加上间隙和把铁芯用引线接通带出,然后接到机壳上,导出感应电荷。这可以说是知易行难,要把环牛铁芯上一度0.02"的间隙,这相当于一张纸的厚度,目前只有激光才做到。就是做到,环牛的效率也降低了,重量的优点也不存在,这种做法是否值得,那就见仁见智了。
作者不詳!csdam 编辑.......Indeed Hi Fi Lab
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下列文章說明了環牛,E I 牛,单端胆机输出牛...................
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The High-End Mythology of the Toroidal Power Transformer

If you look at the AC power transformers used in most high-end audio equipment these days, you will find that a very large majority are toroid transformers. These donut-shaped transformers seem to have taken the high-end industry by storm. Their major advantage is that they do not radiate much of a magnetic field--a very useful property. Dealing with stray magnetic fields from EI-frame transformers (non-toroid) inside a high-end component is not a trivial undertaking. While toroidal transformers have one significant advantage regarding radiated magnetic fields, toroids have a number of "problems" that severely limit their performance in high-quality audio equipment. We’ll try to help you understand what these problems are and show you how another kind of transformer, the EI-frame transformer (that’s a capital I, "eye," not a lowercase l, "el") can be a superior performer if designed, manufactured and installed properly.

What’s an EI-frame transformer?

EI-frame transformers have a large laminated section that looks like an E before it is assembled. Wire is wound around the center leg of the E through the gaps. When the winding is complete, a laminated I section is installed over the ends of the E. The two pieces of the core or frame of this type of transformer give it beneficial "air gaps" which act as pressure relief valves for excess magnetic flux. Winding on the E frame is relatively easy. The illustration to the right is a representation of an EI-frame transformer. The laminated EI core is in the center. The brass colored end is a "bell" covering the windings. In the gray metal tabs on the bottom are mounting holes to hold the EI-frame transformer to the chassis of the component. The brass colored bolts go through the laminations and hold the separate E and I pieces together.

What’s a toroidal transformer?

A toroidal transformer has a round core. Like all transformers, the core is laminated, or made of many layers. In the case of a toroidal transformer, the core resembles a bunch of sheet metal Os stacked on top of each other forming a hollow cylinder. Winding a toroidal transformer is trickier because each time the wire is wrapped around the core, the wire has to be passed through the hole in the center. When a toroidal transformer is finished, it has wire wrapped completely around the core leaving the outside layers of windings relatively vulnerable to damage. Because of this, toroidal transformers are usually mounted to the chassis by putting a rubber mat on both sides of the transformer and running a bolt through the center hole with what looks like a giant washer on top of the transformer. Tighten the nut onto the top plate and the transformer is squeezed between the two rubber pads and held in place.

There are things that can be done to toroidal transformers to reduce some of their inherent problems, but I have yet to see one of these "correct" toroidal power transformers used in a high-end audio component. Manufacturing a "correct" toroidal power transformer is not a trivial task. Toroids are already more expensive to make compared to EI-frame transformers because each toroid has to be wound one-at-a-time while EI-frame transformers can be made in batches on highly automated winding machinery. However, precision winding an EI-frame transformer by hand, very carefully, using bi-filar winding techniques can produce some stunning transformer performance results.

Some background about how AC power is delivered to residences (120v used in this description, 208/240 is similar)

When AC power is transmitted across long distances, high voltages increase transmission efficiency and decrease the size and weight of cables needed to carry the power. However, high voltages in the home are quite dangerous so power companies build sub-stations to reduce the voltage levels for residential and light business use. In the US these substations produce three-phase electrical power. Two of the three phases are what is typically delivered to residences. These electrical phases each carry (nominally) 120v rms AC referenced to the neutral wire… all three phases use the same neutral wire/connection/reference. When two phases are supplied to a home or business, you have three wires coming into the house. One of them is neutral. You can connect the two 120v lines to a single electrical outlet and get 208/240 AC volts which is used to power electric dryers, electric ranges and stoves, electric water heaters and other heavy duty electrical appliances. But most of the connections in your home are 120-volt connections using one of the two phases plus neutral. The ground wire for your home is created right at the site of your home. Somewhere on the property, an electrician has driven a large copper rod directly into the ground (the dirt). A heavy ground wire is connected to this buried copper rod and run to the electrical distribution panel.

The thing to remember about this three-phase and two-phase power delivery system is that the loads on each phase must remain balanced or you can get a DC offset to the AC voltage. If power becomes unbalanced in any one phase, a DC offset appears in your AC power. These DC offsets can be transient or long-term. You still get the 120 (nominal) rms volts, but instead of it being a sine wave with positive peaks of about 170 volts and negative peaks of -170 volts, the sine wave is shifted up or down. A +5-volt DC offset would result in positive peaks of 175 volts and negative peaks of –165 volts (approximate voltages). A –6-volt DC offset would result in peaks of +164 and –176. All because the power becomes unbalanced, i.e. there is more load on one or two phases than on the remaining phase. These DC offsets can very dynamic, changing constantly as residences and businesses consume power and turn machinery on and off. Some of the offsets cancel each other out, resulting in no DC offset, but it is not terribly unusual to have transient DC offsets in power delivered to homes in the US. In Europe, depending on the country, some power grids are owned by the country and are actually running at full capacity or even higher than full capacity. In those situations, the potential for DC offset to exist in the power delivered to residences is quite high.

Two transformer types versus DC offset

What does DC Offset have to do with the AC Power Transformer? Everything! You see, the toroid transformer is very intolerant of DC offset being present at the input (primary winding). In fact, if there is any DC at all in the AC power supplied to the typical AC Power toroid transformer, the laminated metal core of the transformer "saturates" and the transformer no longer operates as designed. The result is often high levels of audible noise from the transformer as well as very high levels of noise getting into the power supply of the component.

When an EI-frame transformer is used, the DC offset problem disappears. The EI-frame transformer continues to supply AC power of the proper voltage with all the noise elimination capabilities designed into the EI-frame transformer still operating perfectly. Industry outside of high-end audio has not widely adopted the AC toroid power transformer because of these very problems. The majority of transformers in general use outside of high-end audio equipment are actually EI-frame transformers.

The main advantages of EI-frame transformers over toroidal transformers are: less susceptibility to core saturation from DC offset; air gaps which act as pressure relief valves for high density magnetic flux in the core. Saturation of the transformer core results in an energy build-up in the core of the transformer. Toroid transformers are wound with the core completely covered by the primary and secondary wires. The toroid core is completely isolated from ground. In the EI-frame transformer, however, a significant portion of the core is external and is attached directly to the chassis of the equipment it is installed in. This gives any energy build-up in the core a direct path to the chassis ground of the component. The other advantage EI-frame transformers have is the small air gaps that are present because of the gaps present when the two parts of the frame/core are put together. These air gaps act as pressure relief valves for the magnetic flux in the core further enhancing the transformer’s resistance to core saturation. You can have an air gap in the core of a toroidal power transformer, but this requires machining a gap perhaps 0.020" wide, about the thickness of a sheet of paper. This is not a trivial task and adds significantly to manufacturing cost of the toroid transformer. It is very rare to encounter toroid transformers with air gaps because of the cost and difficulty of machining such a thin slit across the laminations that make the metal donut. These are two of the reasons EI-frame transformers, when properly designed, can provide better audible performance in your audio components.

What’s the catch?

It seems like an EI-frame transformer ought to be a 100% shoe-in for high-end audio components, but there is a "dark side" to the EI-frame transformer. They radiate a rather significant magnetic field from the exposed windings (which are sometimes covered by rounded metal end bells). Low level audio signals such as those found in preamplifiers and gain stages prior to the output stage of amplifiers are small enough in magnitude, that passing them through a strong magnetic field would induce hum in the audio signal. In a preamplifier, this is easy to avoid. Put the power supply in an external enclosure as many preamp manufacturers do, especially those who use EI-frame power transformers. In an amplifier, the answer is to "aim" the transformer correctly. There is a big "shadow" in the magnetic field where the laminated plates are...the magnetic field is strong only outside the end-bells of the transformer. Aim the EI-frame transformer so that the core points towards the audio signal processing and so that the "bells" point to the sides and the radiated magnetic field won’t bother the audio circuits inside the amp. But putting an EI-frame in a tightly packed multi-channel amp or receiver is just about impossible...there just isn’t enough room to stay away from the radiated magnetic field. In those applications, you will almost always find toroidal power transformers. You can jam a toroid right into the middle of five amplification channels and have no problems from magnetic fields. Magnetic shielding for an EI-frame transformer is also possible, but it tends to be expensive and heavy.

Another minor catch is that EI-frame transformers tend to be up to 50% heavier than a toroidal transformer of similar power capability. This is something to take into consideration, but in high-end audio components, the added weight would not be that important in most cases.

Why lavish so much attention on the transformer?

When you look realistically at what happens in an audio component...you know the answer. The signal leaving the component existed only as AC power from your wall outlet only milliseconds before it is on the way to the next component or to the loudspeakers. AC power is the raw material for the output of the component. Make beer, wine, scotch or bourbon with bad water and you get a bad product. Make an audio component with a generic off-the-shelf toroidal transformer and you are going to get a generic sounding component. It won’t be terrible, but it will fail to scale the heights of what is possible.

So an EI-frame transformer is always better than a toroidal transformer?

Hmmm. Good question. I am tempted to say "yes" because really excellent toroidal transformers are apparently difficult, if not impossible to purchase off-the-shelf. However, finding great EI-transformers is no walk in the park either. But in general, being able to connect the core of the EI-frame transformer electrically to the chassis of the component and the air gaps created by the two-piece laminated core give even off-the-shelf EI-frame transformers some performance capabilities beyond what you can get from off-the-shelf toroidal transformers. If you know your magnetic theory (or your transformer vendor does), there are additional winding tricks that give EI-frame transformers 20dB to 30dB more noise rejection than typical toroidal transformers. This is very significant. 20dB less noise is 1/100th of the noise of the "reference" level. 30dB less noise is 1/1000th of the "reference" noise level. You might be able to find a toroid manufacturer who could do the custom winding, add an air gap and attach a ground wire to the core. You would pay two to three times the cost of an off-the-shelf toroid to get that level of performance. But you sure won’t find a toroid off the shelf that performs as well.

I’ve been lucky enough to speak to a variety of high-end manufacturers about AC power, transformers, and component design. Conversations with Richard Vandersteen, Mike VansEvers and Emil Rotar (Warner Imaging) have been most illuminating. Years ago, I never really gave power transformers much thought. The assumption was that because so many high-end manufacturers were using toroidal power transformers, toroids must be demonstrably superior. Imagine my surprise when I started noticing that many of the best sounding components I’ve experienced in my system have all had EI-frame transformers. Coincidence? I might have thought so before finding out so more about power and transformers. Now I’m convinced that cleverly done EI-frame transformers could/should give us better sounding high-end audio components.
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老酒叔 在 2006-4-12 22:00:49 发表的内容
还有一点,就是隔离式变压器要比自耦式变压器要好。因为隔离式变压器的原边、副边之间没有电的联接,只有磁的联系;自耦式变压器则原边、副边是同一线圈,如果变压器在某种原因损坏时原边的高电压可能会窜入副边,损坏机器。隔离式变压器则不存在这个问题。但隔离式变压器体积比较大,价格也贵一些。


请问:那里的隔离式变压器好?想买一个,用于后级。THX
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哈奇奇 在 2006-4-20 17:27:23 发表的内容
开平牛魔王的牛的确不错!

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但是牛魔王的EL34胆机就..........................不敢恭維了!

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好贴,,要顶
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开平牛魔王的牛的确不错!
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