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请大家耐心看完,会对meridian和linn的当家CD机有较深入的了解

Meridian 588 CD Player/Recorder Review by MichaelL

Model:  588
Category:  CD Player/Recorder
Suggested Retail Price:  $3500
Description:  CD Player


Review by MichaelL (A) on October 01, 2002 at 05:03:31
IP Address: 129.82.53.155


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Meridian 507 and 588
My wife and I were able to audition these players at home last weekend, thanks to Listenup in Denver. Both of the players were broken-in demo units. All the other equipment was held constant, including cables, power cords, etc. I matched the sound pressure as exactly as possible using a Radio Shack dB meter, using a Radio Shack sound pressure meter, set at slow response and C-weighted. I used the correlated pink noise from the Stereophile Test CD #2 to set the level. The output of the 588 was just a bit higher than the 507. For the 588 I had to lower the volume setting from 51 to 49 on my Rowland preamp to get it to play at the same loudness as the 507. I used the unbalanced outlets for both players. We listened to the 588 first for several hours Saturday evening and then we listened to the 507 for an hour or so, using the same CDs. The next day (Sunday) we listened to the 507 all day and in the late afternoon we listened to the 588.
Also, this was a sighted comparison, but I believe that neither of us had a bias for one player over the other. They both look alike and if anything, I was expecting them to sound the same because very trustworthy sources told me that they sounded the same to them through the unbalanced outlets. I was also hoping that the differences would be negligible or hard to tell because the 507 is more affordable.

But the differences were very clear and not terribly subtle. I am not very good at describing these differences, but I will try.

The 507 sounded brighter than the 588. This is not to say that the 507 sounds bright, but in comparison to the 588 it was brighter. The piano, female voice, mandolins, zithers, dulcimers and violins all were brighter on the 507. The 588 added more lower resonances to all of these instruments for a near lifelike presentation. As one might say, with the 588 you heard more of the wood. In general, the 507 was weaker in the lower frequencies than the 588. The extension was there, of course, but not as resolved or defined as the basses were on the 588. The 507 seemed fuzzier, so to speak, in the bass. Perhaps this also contributed to the impression that the images were completely open and stable in the 588 while the images had ragged or fuzzier edges on the 507.

The players had different soundstages. The 588 had a wider soundstage -- my wife exclaimed the it extended beyond the speakers -- than the 507. Again, the 507 had excellent width, but in comparison to the 588 it seemed narrower. Also, on the drum recording on the Stereophile test CD#2, the soundstage was were more recessed behind the speakers on the 507. In general, it seemed (although this was not so clear) that the 588 had a bit more depth.

Both players had lots of detail, but the 588 rendered the harmonics of a concert grand much more clearly and distinguished the impacts of the different hammers on the strings. This was also true of the quiet timpani playing on the drum cut on Stereophile's CD 2. Similarly, the little whistle or chirp at the very start of higher register organ notes was better defined on the 588.

A very noticeable difference was that in comparison, the 507 still had some of the grain or granulation that I associate with the CD sound. To put it simply, it sounded like a CD player and seemed to be in the same league as our previous player, the CAL Delta/Alpha (non-updated) combo. The 588, on the other hand, sounded to both of our ears stunningly smooth and seamless. I focussed on female voices and piano. In fact, the absolute clarity of the piano and voice made me think that while the 507 is an outstanding player, the 588 is sublime.

On a final note, earlier I had auditioned the Linn Ikemi and Genki in a store. While the 507 is closer to the 588 than the Genki is to the Ikemi, the differences between the 507 and the 508 are still as clear and obvious as they are between the two Linn players. As far as the Linn/Meridian comparison is concerned, I can only say that while listening to the Meridian in the store made my want to try to listen to these players at home, I had no such urge to take either of the players home. To my ears, the Ikemi is still dry and unmusical compared to the Meridian 588.

For what it is worth, that's how these players sounded to us. Associated equipment: Dunlavy Cantatas, Rowland Model 1 and Consonance. Dunlavy signal cables throughout. No power conditioners.



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Product Weakness:  I wish it were cheaper.
Product Strengths:  No granulation whatsoever. Smooth, sweet and detailed
all at once. Stunning reproduction of voice and piano.




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Associated Equipment for this Review:
Amplifier:  Rowland Model 1
Preamplifier (or None if Integrated):  Rowland Consonance
Sources (CDP/Turntable):  See review
Speakers:  Dunlavy Cantatas
Cables/Interconnects:  Dunlavy
Music Used (Genre/Selections):  Classical, Folk, Jazz
Room Size (LxWxH):  27 x 13ft x 9ft
Room Comments/Treatments:  Damping behind listener
Time Period/Length of Audition:  Weekend
Other (Power Conditioner etc.):  None
Type of Audition/Review:  Home Audition
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谢谢SCFAN,我正在588、507与IKEMI之间先择,原来看过第一段评论,现在您贴全了,给我非常有价值的参考。THANKS !
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TBone又回,这段对Linn的分析比较多:

Posted by TBone (A) on October 03, 2002 at 11:22:13
In Reply to: Re: Meridian 588 CD Player/Recorder posted by MichaelL on October 02, 2002 at 13:45:08:


well we certainly differ ... but thats fine, because i think the 588 is a very good player too, and even better than the 508.24 although this is certainly not a popular stance.
Having lived with a 588, 508.24 genki and the ikemi - in my system - here are my subjective thoughts ...

The Ikemi (and even the genki) was more transparent than any meridian i have heard. It highlights depth and width with more clarity - and more importantly it relies on the recording or mastering quality of the cd to achieve this goal. In other words - you can hear the individual details of each mix or studio or venue as per recording. On the 588 that information was present but it certainly sounded as if many cd were all recorded in ONE place ... the differences between one venue and another not nearly as well deliniated. Thats said ... the 588 coloration could actually be a asset. I agree with you that one low level passages the ikemi can sound somewhat dry - esp compared to the 588.

On frequency extension ... i have yet to hear ANY cdp past the cd12 and possibly the mf nuvista that correctly displays high frequency information with the power and accuracy of a real instrument. This is important during musical peaks in which the 588 seems to have less power and drive while shrinking musical instruments esp as gain progresses, while the ikemi soundstage remain totally intact. In defence of the 588 - this is a particular linn strength - and the 588 is far above what many other players can do.

However as even compared to other players besides the linns - the 588 would be far down in my list of players with extended frequency response as the main requirement ... and although it is not its weakness - its also just not its strength.

And - i prefer both my analog front end and my cdp to give me the most honest data in the high frequencies (both frequency extremes) as can be ... because IMO it is this extension in both extremes with proper detail that brings me closer to the real musical event. My high frequencies should NEVER be bright or sibilant, but natural and powerfull. This is a characteristic i want out of all my equipment, and this is a natural occurance i hear in concerts.

Ultimatly - i use my analog front end as my reference for digital. The Ikemi does come closer - even having certain advantages - and on certain recordings - it became very hard to hear any difference between digital and analog. I still prefer analog (sometimes by a huge amount) in many cases but the ikemi does bridge the gap a bit closer. With other players - the differences are magnified to a much greater extent.

So we are polarized on our findings - but this should not diminish my feelings for the 588 - which i really enjoyed. It has its own set of strenghts, mostly in tonality and smoothness. Although i seem to have put the 588 in a negative light - it was not always that clear when doing the comparison. I really enjoyed my time with the 588 - and on one weekend - it was all i listened too.

But ... i listen to mostly rock & roll, pop and jazz and i want my player to sound open and clear at low & full throttle - and when push comes to shove - in my system - the 588 was not able to meet my requirements & preferences nearly as well as the ikemi did.

TBone
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wxchjy兄,请问你到哪里试听这2款机器?如果是在上海的话,可千万要叫上小弟我呀。

翻译么,呃呃,请leslie兄帮忙吧;)
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大约在一个月内,我可能要将588和IKEMI一起试听!听后将体会与各位交流。翻译,请SCFAN兄来?
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多谢wxchjy兄,辛苦了
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Michael再回:

Posted by MichaelL (A) on October 02, 2002 at 13:45:08
In Reply to: Meridian 588 CD Player/Recorder posted by TBone on October 01, 2002 at 09:16:37:


Thanks for your insights. I want to respond to two observations you made, but not to dispute them but just to present what I thought I heard, which is of course totally compatible with you hearing something else, me being mistaken, or etc.
"i thought the 588 most obvious coloration was highlighted when playing R&R music and esp piano music. Compared to the more high
frequency extended players like the Cary 306, Ikemi and MF Nuvista players the 588 made the piano sound slightly distant, smaller, less powerfull and even slightly confused during peak periods."

"IMO - detail and transparency - esp at the extreme frequencies is not this players forte ..."

I cannot say that the 588 sounded less extended than the 507 or the Ikemi. One of the things I listened to closely was Krauss's voice and some of the instrumental solos on "Two Highways." There the difference between the 507 and 588 was extremely clear. It seemed to me that two things about the sound made the 507 seem brighter. The upper frequencies were more granulated and the lower resonances were not as resolved and coherent with the upper frequencies, leaving the higher frequencies isolated on top. On the 588 the higher resonances of her voice, for instance, were not granulated at all and they were seamlessly integrated with the lower resonances.

I did not do a direct comparison with the Ikemi, so you definitely have an advantage there. But I can say that in terms of the placement of piano, I did not notice a difference, and I did look for that. One thing I really don't like about the Ikemi is what it does to strings, particularly cellos. To me they sound abstracted and one-dimensional, especially quiet passages.

I would say that in terms of resolution, the Ikemi and 588 are identical. But to my ears, the 588 is much more transparent and open than the Ikemi. As far as detail is concerned, I have mixed feelings. I don't like players that highlight high-frequency details. I think that brighter players sometimes magnify the sound of squeeking chairs, the high frequency of a turning page, aspirations, etc.., but this does not seem accurate. These should be reproduced, but not magnified. This is probably not what you meant by detail, but I just thought I should state that it might be helpful to distinguish resolution and detail.

Anyway, I ended-up buying the 588 yesterday so whatever I say now is biased. So I am going to shut-up about this, but your post makes want to listen to Professor Longhair on the 588. It should be here soon.

Thanks
Michael
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再看看这位TBone大虾的跟贴:

Posted by TBone (A) on October 01, 2002 at 09:16:37
In Reply to: Meridian 588 CD Player/Recorder posted by MichaelL on October 01, 2002 at 05:03:31:


good review ... i was also impressed with the 588.
I demo the unit in my house and put it up against the same player you did (and more). My impressions were certainly different - but that did not take away from my favorable thoughts about the meridian.

I thought that the 588 was a improvement over the 508.24 in areas of attack and resolution, the 508 could sound somewhat reserved in comparison.

However ... in a direct comparison ... i thought the 588 most obvious coloration was highlighted when playing R&R music and esp piano music. Compared to the more high frequency extended players like the Cary 306, Ikemi and MF Nuvista players the 588 made the piano sound slightly distant, smaller, less powerfull and even slightly confused during peak periods.

IMO - detail and transparency - esp at the extreme frequencies is not this players forte ...

However i can still remember comparing the soundtrack of 'the planet of the apes' on three different players one night, and the 588 easily gave the most favorable rendition. In fact - i switched the other players off and enjoyed the 588 strengths all weekend long.

In another demo (in a store) i witnessed a 588 easily bettering a NEW very VERY expensive turntable (and analog system which was incorrectly setup and certainly overpriced) that the store was trying to highlight - obviously without much success - as most of the patrons confessed to liking the cdp (588).

I had this player for about 2 week-ends and despite having certain reservations, i did enjoy having it in my system.

TBone
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I wish it were cheaper.
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[我最后于昨天买了588,不管我现在说我更偏好于什么,所以我应该不说了。但你的邮件……(此后一段无实质内容,我也翻不好)]我说什么都是带偏见的……所以……
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