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原帖由 Dr kuang 于 2009-5-14 14:31:00 发表
在客厅能玩好这对箱是运气,可遇不可求。至于功率问题,这还要看是听什么,喜欢多大音量,我还听过用只有几瓦的211胆后级来推1.6,中高频迷人极了。


原帖由 eric 于 2009-5-14 22:50:00 发表
中高频迷人极了。 --------这个非常同意。 [/quote][quote]
有这样的声音还不爽.
我是喜欢人声和室内乐的.
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42#

我的是MG1.6
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43#

原帖由 bennylookli 于 2009-5-15 1:35:00 发表
换跳线 换电阻 换线 都很灵敏 电阻的功力 影响很大 摆位影响也是巨大的 曾经乘老婆在做饭 冒死放在短边(4.5*8) 听了半个小时 清晰很多 低频力度和厚度更好些

够幸福的了,能有4.5M宽.在北京要想搞这么间房间好贵的.
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44#

目前报到的好像有6、7人了,有些用家可能没到168来交流。

这家伙确实让我欢喜让我忧! 但是总体感觉还是很好,就是对功放要求很高。声压要足够才能推出平衡的声音,往往怕影响邻里啊。一般只在晚上9点以前大声压,9点后就换小系统听,那种感觉就是从万里无云的草原跑到了多云的崇山峻岭。会有些不习惯。。。。。
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45#

替你们转一个厂家介绍去研究
在Jim Winey创立Magnepan之时,市场已经是动圈喇叭与号角喇叭的天下,而唯一称得上平
面喇叭的设计,就是英国Quad的ESL静电喇叭。三十多年前的音响市场大型品牌充斥,像是
Altec、Klipshorn都是红极一时的公司,即使提到平面喇叭,Quad ESL早已经是名噪一时的
传奇产品,要想从无到有自创品牌,不仅要有一身好功夫,还要有过人的胆识和破釜沈舟的
决心。
     出生于爱荷华州的Jim Winey,毕业于爱荷华州立大学,主修机械工程,1961年毕业时
进入3M公司工作,担任维修工程师,也因工作之故,新婚后他举家搬到明尼苏达州。和大部
分Hi End音响公司的创业者一样,Jim早在读书时就已经是个音响迷,平常喜欢研究功放与
喇叭,搬到明尼苏达州之后,认识了Audio Research的老板William Johnson。那时候
Audio Research还没出现,William Johnson在明尼苏达开音响店,同为音响迷的Jim很快的
就和William成为好朋友,经常一起试听当时最好的音响产品。那时候Jim最喜欢的就是
Quad ESL静电喇叭,于是在自己研究喇叭的过程中,自然往独特的平面喇叭入手。
     在60年代,Jim心里面理想的喇叭设计已经成形,就是大型平面振膜喇叭,但是从想法
到实践,经历了大约七年的时间,才克服重重困难。相较于动圈喇叭,平面振膜要能发出足
够的音压和频宽,庞大的振膜面积是必要的手段,越大的平面振膜,意味着越重的质量,所
以振膜材质要非常轻,同时还要耐用。在3M公司工作的Jim,幸运地可以接触到最先进的材
料,于是他把所有的业余时间拿来做实验,设计心中理想的平面喇叭。
     从1961年进入3M公司,到1969年辞职自行创业,七年时间当中,Jim不知道历经多少次
失败。回忆当时的研发过程,Jim说几乎想要放弃了,最初的三年时间几乎每个周末都在车
库里面忙进忙出,却一事无成,时间白白浪费了。直到有一天,他在家里仰望天花板,看着
磁砖排列的线条,引发了他的灵感,突然间他想通了平面喇叭的运作原理,找到「线圈」排
列的方式,研发才真正开始有突破性的进展。
     接着经过几个月的多番实验,Jim想象的大尺寸平面振膜喇叭逐渐成形,不过问题还不
止于此。由于在3M工作,这家公司非常重视知识产权,而所有3M员工在职期间所研究的技
术,知识产权归公司所有,不管员工是在公司作研究,还是在自家车库里搞出名堂来,这些
都是公司投资的财产。不过当时3M虽然知道Jim的研究计划,但Jim在1969年成立公司时,3M
公司并没有采取法律行动,Jim很快地申请专利,Magnepan幸运地生存下来。
     从1969到1971年,整整两年时间,Jim终于把问题多多的原型,变成可以量产的成品。
懂得研发、制作,不代表同时懂得销售,Jim试着把最早的Magnepan喇叭委托明尼苏达地区
的音响店销售,但是效果并不理想。那时候William Johnson已经创立Audio Research,凭
着多年交情,让Jim决定把Magnepan的销售委托给老朋友,签订了第一款喇叭Tympani的五年
独家销售契约,随着Audio Research在全球市场开疆拓土,Magnepan也开始在音响市场上崭
露头角。随后推出的MGII喇叭,是Magnepan第一款单片振膜设计的平面喇叭,则由Jim自己
开拓市场,在短短两三年期间,Magnepan的营业额从零到数百万美金,公司快速成长,于是
在1980年正式迁入位于白熊湖的现址。从车库公司迈向量产,Magnepan走了十年,才逐渐站
稳脚步。
     Magnepan喇叭的独特之处,最明显的就是超薄外观,不过与同样是平面振膜发声的静
电喇叭不同之处,Magnepan舍弃了静电喇叭必须的升压器,所以不需要插电,高音单体则采
用超长的铝带振膜(Ribbon Tweeter)。以原厂「专有名词」说明,Magnepan使用的中低音
单体称为「准铝带/磁力平面振膜」(Quasi Ribbon/Plannar-Magnetic Driver),而高音
则是铝带单体(Ribbon Driver),名词听来绕口,但这两大技术是Magnepan的独门功夫,
维系公司产品三十余年来在音响市场历久不衰。
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46#

potrain兄 您好! 有空多交流一下啊,现在在为1.6升级功放发愁呢,想叫些朋友把大功率大电流功放拿来玩一下呢。 原先朋友的哲学H200 推的很好,价格不便宜要2。6w,老婆同意换H200,我自己有点舍不得。 希望比如v8i,AD-2SE,或者3.8能推好就省钱了。 我觉得这箱子主要解决的是低频的驱动,中高频基本不太在意了(自己感觉已经足够的好了),只要声源好,能推好低频就能玩好一阵子了。

关于房间,我是在客厅和餐厅联通一起——客厅是方形的4.5*5的,餐厅3.8*3.5,所以看上去很大,但是听音部分大多在客厅长边也是4.5的,。买得早还能承受。上海房价可能比北京稍低一点,就恨当时身上没钱。应该买复式,专门搞个视听室才好。现在筹谋想换到郊区,搞套复式或连体。。。。。。。哈哈 就爽了
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47#

看来MG老板是听QUAD长大的
可称为QUAD的儿子吧?
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48#

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49#

呵呵 会不会青出于蓝而胜与蓝呢? 等待 水公做平板pk 不过G12可能吃亏点 能用1.6会好一些吧 我听国度、马汀都是分开地点的 感觉都不错 放一起pk 一定很过瘾 期待期待
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50#

G12我没听过,不过凭感觉应该是比较弱的东西.
如果以我的个人喜好,在充分发挥系统潜力的情况下,MG12输给QUAD 988 2805是很大可能的,如果上了63就更没什么奇怪的了,不过不知道他们什么听音习惯,如果只拼室内乐,QUAD如果不胜出,调试的因素就基本上可以确定是有问题的了.
另外对水公的贵丰感觉.......,没任何恶意,是不是八字不和呀
正在YY中.....
最后编辑potrain 最后编辑于 2009-05-15 10:11:58
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51#

我估计 可能是水公的视听间 吸音和散射的处理对平板发声感冒
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52#

哈哈 不如你们一起过来听听pk 特别是mg的玩家 吃住玩我包
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53#

原帖由 吹水公 于 2009-5-15 10:56:00 发表
哈哈 不如你们一起过来听听pk 特别是mg的玩家 吃住玩我包

等下月出差广东一定过去学习下,我也不是只用MAG的,怪异的东西通吃的.
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54#

原帖由 potrain 于 2009-5-15 11:03:00 发表
原帖由 吹水公 于 2009-5-15 10:56:00 发表
哈哈 不如你们一起过来听听pk 特别是mg的玩家 吃住玩我包

等下月出差广东一定过去学习下,我也不是只用MAG的,怪异的东西通吃的.
哈哈 欢迎 你那里的 pm我
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原帖由 吹水公 于 2009-5-15 10:56:00 发表
哈哈 不如你们一起过来听听pk 特别是mg的玩家 吃住玩我包


不如先到4搂听完,再到水公处PK啦。
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回复 54# 吹水公 的帖子

我北京的,下月可能要出差到广州几天,富盛兄那边和水公那边都一定要过去拜访下.
希望时间上来的及.
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58#

回复 57# 科研级旗舰 的帖子

等大约半年左右系统彻底调整好了吧,现在系统还存在一些问题.
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原帖由 吹水公 于 2009-5-15 10:56:00 发表
哈哈 不如你们一起过来听听pk 特别是mg的玩家 吃住玩我包


心痒啊 做梦都想去 时间挤不出来呀 将来有机会一定要去玩一下 向水公学习学习
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老外的建议

Pushing the envelope - taking the Magnepan 3.6R to the extreme!
by Carl Hruza

It find it odd that the manufacturer of a speaker with the potential of the Magnepan 3.6R doesn't offer it in a "hot rod" or SE version, at least not in the U.S. Anyone who has looked closely at the internals of a 3.6R knows that the internal parts and wiring—and the standard of workmanship—are below par, and cannot possibly extract the best performance from this planar design. I come from a manufacturing background, so I understand the concept of building for a specific market and controlling costs to deliver a competitive (and profitable) product, but why oh why must the 3.6R be built like a cheap transistor radio? I estimate that spending an additional $750 or so at the manufacturing stage would make the 3.6R competitive in the $15,000 market sector, maybe higher.  
First let me cover some basics for people who are not familiar with the stock 3.6Rs. The 3.6R is a three-way speaker, with a planar/magnetic midrange/bass panel and a true ribbon tweeter. Its specifications include a sensitivity of 85dB and impedance of 4 ohms, but believe me when I say that the 3.6Rs need a strong amplifier to make them sing. Use a high-current amp that provides clean power without clipping, and you'll be rewarded with a deep, wide soundstage and very good dynamics, even with stock 3.6Rs.
The 3.6Rs do some things better than most speakers. Their natural tone through the midrange and seamless, cohesive transition throughout the frequency range cannot be matched by any comparably priced box speakers (at least any that I've heard), but their weaknesses can be disturbing. They don't do bass particularly well, and fair poorly in the imaging department. They also lack the dynamic impact in the lower registers of good box designs, and in this era of thunderous home theater sound effects, that eliminates 60 percent of their potential market. Many people refer to the 3.6Rs' limitations as being inherent to the design, but I've never really been convinced of that. I've heard many times that it is necessary to move a lot of air to deliver low-frequency dynamic impact, but the bass and midrange panels of the 3.6Rs are quite large.
The first thing that strikes you about the Magnepan 3.6s is how open and natural they sound. You immediately realize that most of what you hear in typical box speakers are the boxes. The next thing that strikes you is how differently these speakers express themselves when compared to conventional box designs. The sound has tremendous scale and clarity. Music flows from these speakers in a big open wave, though it doesn't jump out at you with the same snap and attack that box speakers provide.
The soundstage is huge, with excellent center fill energy and a cohesive presentation. The stage easily extends beyond the outer edges of the speakers when required, if they are given sufficient driving force. Stage depth is quite good, though not as deep as that of other speakers, particularly the Quad ESL 57s or the Apogee Caliper Signature IIs. As mentioned earlier, bass is somewhat lacking, both in extension and fullness, which makes the sound slightly lean.
I initially found the tweeters to be a little too bright. Instruments like trumpets, and even woodwind instruments, had too much energy and force. Installing a resistor in series with the ribbons, which can easily be done on the speaker's back plate, robs the 3.6R of some air and transparency, and I do not recommend it as a solution for reducing treble energy. I was able to somewhat tame the problem by moving the speakers closer to the front wall, but with the tradeoff of a loss of soundstage depth. I was able to achieve a compromise between tonality and stage depth, but it left me wanting more of what the compromise had removed. In a nutshell, I wasn't happy enough with the sound of the stock 3.6Rs to be able to live with and enjoy them in the long run.
Measuring 24 x 71 x 1.6 inches, the 3.6R is large, but not particularly heavy, so unpacking, assembly, and positioning is not difficult for one person. Magnepan, for reasons known only to them, does not follow the rigid-construction-is-best theory. The stock stands, flimsy at best, are victims of a design-to-a-price policy. Also disappointing are the external crossover boxes, and the way they couple to the speakers. The crossover components for the tweeter/mids are inside the 3.6Rs, but the bass crossover components are mounted in small boxes that attach to the rear of the speakers via metal pins that act as electrical connectors. Small brackets attach the boxes to the speakers, removing stress from the pins. In my opinion, this setup is inadequate. How can speakers that have gotten so much critical acclaim fly in the face of everything we know about the importance of construction integrity and rigidity?
In case you haven't noticed, a modification craze has been sweeping through the audio world: Take a component of reasonable quality, add some better parts, and watch it compete with the best. Driven by a sense of frustration and the urge to prove to myself that I could still use a soldering iron, I embarked upon the task of destroying a perfectly good set of speakers. Well, not quite.
There are several stages of improvement available for the stock 3.6Rs, and each will provide the inspiration to move to the next. If you have the suitable skills, and are motivated to take on the ultimate upgrade, go for it. If you are of a nervous disposition or have limited funds, try steps 1 and 2, or 1 and 2 in conjunction with 3 and 4, and you will have yourself a nice improvement for under $1000.

Step 1: Ditch the pins that connect the external crossover boxes to the speakers and replace them with custom Cardas "Magnepan" wires, available from www.dedicatedaudio.com for around $200. This worthwhile modification adds a little clarity and transparency to the sound. All that is required is an Allen key (and $200!).
Step 2: Remove the fuses and the tweeter attenuation circuitry on the inside of the back plate. Re-crimp the wiring inside the cavity behind the back plate with better, gold-plated crimps. This is very worthwhile. The sound improves in many ways, almost like removing the grille cloths from box speakers. You will get more detail, more air, and even slightly improved bass extension. Do not bypass the fuses unless you are certain that your amp can deliver sufficient power to the speakers at higher SPLs without clipping. Otherwise you may end up having to do an expensive panel/ribbon replacement.
Step 3: Replace the stock stands with custom stands that add mass and rigidity to the frame. MYE stands (available at www.myesound.com) seem to be preferred by Magnepan users, and offer very worthwhile improvements for less than $400. I'm cheap, so I decided to build my own stands based on the MYE design and a pair of SoundOrg custom 3.6R stands. Of course, I spent much more than $400. The principal of the MYE design and my design is to mass load the stand for rigidity, and attach the speaker further up the frame to prevent flexing. Then, couple the stand to the floor with vibration-dissipating spikes or brass cones. You will hear improvements in transparency and also a small increase in stage depth and layering.
Step 4: Try Magwire speaker cables! I've tried many different speaker cables with my 3.6Rs, including Purist Audio, Sonoran, AudioQuest, AlphaCore Goertz, and Virtual Dynamics Nite IIs. Prior to my discovery of Magwire, the Nite IIs were far and away the best choice in my setup, but the Magwire provides detail and clarity that even the $2200 VDs can't touch.
Step 5: Crossover modifications and internal wire upgrade. These are by far the most complex and irreversible of the recommended modifications. Details follow, but I would be happy to provide more to anyone wishing to embark on similar madness.  Organize your parts carefully. You will be replacing all internal and external crossover components, and completely rebuilding the crossovers on external boards. You can have the new crossovers fully built before your speakers undergo the knife.
(1) Choose a crossover board of suitable proportions. I used two 24 x 12 x 2-inch pieces of solid mahogany, but would have appreciated another 2 or 3 inches in both length and width to allow better spacing of the components. This sounds like a large board, but your new crossover components are going to be much larger than the stock parts, so you will need it.
I built my new crossovers using components of the same value but better quality than the stock components. I used Solen fast-caps for the larger values, Kimber caps for the middle values, and Jensen oil/paper caps for the smaller values on the tweeters. I used Solen iron-core inductors for the bass and AlphaCore air-core inductors on the mids/highs. (www.madisound.com).  I used Cardas silver solder and flux, and believe me, it made life much easier than the Ratshack stuff that doesn't stick to anything other than the carpet (www.dedicatedaudio.com). I used DH Labs wiring throughout the crossover (www.madisound.com).
(2) Remove the back plates from the speakers and replace the internal wiring. Leave 18 inches of wire past the point of leaving the back of the speaker. Pull the leads from the three drivers through the back plate cavities and terminate them with good-quality spades. I used Nordost Flatline cable and AlphaCore solid silver spades. I didn't use spades inside the speaker, but drilled small holes in the ends of the Nordost cables and used the cables themselves as the crimps.
(3) Terminate the leads on one side of your new crossover. I used Cardas binding posts (available from www.dedicatedaudio.com). You will need ten sets of binding posts, around $400 if you use the Cardas.
Building the crossovers is relatively easy, though some of the soldering maneuvers are tricky, particularly when eight caps need to be wired in parallel. I experimented with isolation under the components with great results, so it's a good idea to leave a little slack on the point-to-point wiring to facilitate this. I tried several materials, including Vibrapods and foam. I got the best results with packaging air bags, but they were a real pain. I used brass cones on the underside of the crossover bases and spiked them into the carpet (www.supercellaudio.com).
The results were worth the effort. After around 200 to 300 hours of break-in, the sound was better in every respect. The deficiencies of the stock 3.6Rs were almost fully addressed. Dynamic impact in the lower registers greatly improved. Bass was more extended, tighter, and more tuneful. The highs were effortless and extended, and less shrill. Transparency was greatly improved, as was stage presentation, particularly depth. There was a much-improved sense of layering, with air around instruments that just wasn't there before. The cost of the crossover upgrade and speaker rewire was more than $2500, but it performed beyond its price, at least when taking an audiophile perspective.
There is something very special about the Magnepan 3.6Rs, but with modification, they can be elevated into a different league altogether. With the removal of their constraints, and partnered with appropriate equipment (particularly a good, high-powered amp), the 3.6Rs are capable of stellar performance. If you have the inclination, time, and patience to pursue the goal of improving the sound of the stock speakers, I highly recommend trying one or more of these upgrades.
Please be sure that you have the necessary skills to perform these modifications. Some of them are difficult to reverse, so you must plan the process carefully. If you have doubts about your ability to complete the mods successfully, the job is better left to one of the many companies that can perform it on your behalf.
最后编辑potrain 最后编辑于 2009-05-15 21:56:17
静电 丝带 平板 号角 一个都不能少!
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